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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Alsatian on January 08, 2013, 01:51:06 am
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Police responded to the scene in the south part of Tulsa at around 12:30 p.m. local time, where four women were found dead inside the Fairmont Terrace apartments, NBC station KJRH reported.
"The victims were shot multiple times," Tulsa Police Officer Jillian Roberson confirmed in a statement to NBC News.
Authorities also found an unharmed 4-year-old child in the apartment, Roberson said. The child was taken into protective custody.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/07/16397584-police-four-women-found-dead-in-tulsa-okla-apartment?lite (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/07/16397584-police-four-women-found-dead-in-tulsa-okla-apartment?lite)
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we shoudl have a "mass shooting thread" to avoid spamming the entire board with these.
Not that they are very relevant world news anyway.
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we shoudl have a "mass shooting thread" to avoid spamming the entire board with these.
Not that they are very relevant world news anyway.
yeah good idea man
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we shoudl have a "mass shooting thread" to avoid spamming the entire board with these.
Not that they are very relevant world news anyway.
Damn right.
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R.I.P. to the people that were shot and R.I.P. to every deceased person :'(
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Back in the days people used to get in headlines with saving people. At this moment seems like way to get fame depends of amount of people you kill. This way is already crazy enough but I have to think that don't they realize that as they getting famous like this they are also having less and less people to give them attention as they are all dead anyways. Idiots.
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Back in the days people used to get in headlines with saving people. At this moment seems like way to get fame depends of amount of people you kill. This way is already crazy enough but I have to think that don't they realize that as they getting famous like this they are also having less and less people to give them attention as they are all dead anyways. Idiots.
That's because of people who doesn't want guns to be publizied as a mean to self defense, especially those who wants it completely banned because they're "evil"
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we shoudl have a "mass shooting thread" to avoid spamming the entire board with these.
Not that they are very relevant world news anyway.
Agreed, hearing news of another shooting in USA is like eating breakfast these days or going for a walk. Nothing new.
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That's because of people who doesn't want guns to be publizied as a mean to self defense, especially those who wants it completely banned because they're "evil"
Well would it not be easier then for them to just get a gun and go to kill? It's not that black and white that if they allow them for self defence that guns would be used just for that. Mini warz would start by that I think.
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Why do I expect a civil war in the future based upon these shootings?
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Why do I expect a civil war in the future based upon these shootings?
I wouldn't be suprised.
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Why do I expect a civil war in the future based upon these shootings?
It's predicted that US states will start to break away in the coming years, it may be over something such as this..
It's funny how Americans including their government say 'We need more guns, not less' or 'The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun', what a load of shit... They are just denying the only solution.
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It's predicted that US states will start to break away in the coming years, it may be over something such as this..
It's funny how Americans including their government say 'We need more guns, not less' or 'The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun', what a load of shit... They are just denying the only solution.
Fighting fire with fire...
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Fighting fire with fire...
Exactly. :razz:
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Back in the days people used to get in headlines with saving people. At this moment seems like way to get fame depends of amount of people you kill. This way is already crazy enough but I have to think that don't they realize that as they getting famous like this they are also having less and less people to give them attention as they are all dead anyways. Idiots.
This isn't them gaining fame or any of the sort. This is a serious situation that is occuring far too frequently in America at the moment. Bringing this to the attention of others is not an idiotic move, buddy.
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It's predicted that US states will start to break away in the coming years, it may be over something such as this..
It's funny how Americans including their government say 'We need more guns, not less' or 'The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun', what a load of shit... They are just denying the only solution.
says the country with the highest violent crime rate in all of europe even higher than the united states, due in part to the gun ban. you're more likely to get mugged in london than los angeles. when you're getting mugged, do you want to have an immediate solution, or do you want to wait 10 minutes for the police to arrive? why do you want to be defenseless? it makes no sense to me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html) even posted by your own country so it's not just made up facts.
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says the country with the highest violent crime rate in all of europe even higher than the united states, due in part to the gun ban. you're more likely to get mugged in london than los angeles. when you're getting mugged, do you want to have an immediate solution, or do you want to wait 10 minutes for the police to arrive? why do you want to be defenseless? it makes no sense to me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html) even posted by your own country so it's not just made up facts.
Thats a complete load of bollocks to be honest.. Provide a better source than a company who does a daily news paper with a nude section. :lol:
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I don't exactly know what news agencies are considered ''legitimate" in the UK, but here's this one.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html)
While the UK has very low gun homicides, to my understanding(which could be wrong as I have never been to Europe) the UK has very, very low rates of street gangs compared to the US. The majority of gun homicides in the US are committed by illegal street gangs, not the citizens who stand up for their rights. Criminals acknowledge the fact that citizens are armed in the US and fear being captured, or worse shot and killed. While the criminals in the UK now are understanding that civilians are walking targets who are completely defenseless and they take advantage over it, like most criminals would. Who would you rather rob, someone who could possibly be armed, or someone you know can only defend themselves with their fists, or other objects they may carry?
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I don't exactly know what news agencies are considered ''legitimate" in the UK, but here's this one.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html)
While the UK has very low gun homicides, to my understanding(which could be wrong as I have never been to Europe) the UK has very, very low rates of street gangs compared to the US. The majority of gun homicides in the US are committed by illegal street gangs, not the citizens who stand up for their rights. Criminals acknowledge the fact that citizens are armed in the US and fear being captured, or worse shot and killed. While the criminals in the UK now are understanding that civilians are walking targets who are completely defenseless and they take advantage over it, like most criminals would. Who would you rather rob, someone who could possibly be armed, or someone you know can only defend themselves with their fists, or other objects they may carry?
IMO this high crime rate is some bullshit pulled by the EU as the EU hates the UK to the bone and the opposite, sure it might be true, but it's over exaggerated aswell, the UK, as with every place in the world has it's crime hotspots, such as London, Liverpool, Cardiff, Newcastle, Edinborough, but whats missing is the guns.. People may get mugged, but they don't get shot to death, would you rather be mugged or shot to death? That in my mind, makes the US have a higher crime rate than the UK, theres a large difference between shooting someones and robbing someone.
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says the country with the highest violent crime rate in all of europe even higher than the united states, due in part to the gun ban. you're more likely to get mugged in london than los angeles. when you're getting mugged, do you want to have an immediate solution, or do you want to wait 10 minutes for the police to arrive? why do you want to be defenseless? it makes no sense to me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html) even posted by your own country so it's not just made up facts.
There's a huge difference between getting mugged and getting murdered, lad.
and I'd choose to be mugged anyday over getting killed once.
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There's a huge difference between getting mugged and getting murdered, lad.
and I'd choose to be mugged anyday over getting killed once.
We're not talking murders, we're talking violent crime. Yes the US has a large amount of murders compared to the UK, but it's violent crime rate is less.
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Britain has a higher violent crime rate than the US and any country in Europe, according to the Conservative Party.
:lol:
(Source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html))
Jews are also bad according to the Nazi Party. That's why all things are relative.
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We're not talking murders, we're talking violent crime. Yes the US has a large amount of murders compared to the UK, but it's violent crime rate is less.
Murders are violent crimes.. :poke:
:lol:
(Source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk-has-worst-violent-crime-rate-in-europe-6746864.html))
Jews are also bad according to the Nazi Party. That's why all things are relative.
True dat
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This isn't them gaining fame or any of the sort. This is a serious situation that is occuring far too frequently in America at the moment. Bringing this to the attention of others is not an idiotic move, buddy.
I did not mean that it is idiotic move to bring this up to the news. Idiotic move is from those killers that they are killing those who are reading these news so they have less people to actually give them attention. Sort of black joke inside the meaning but yeah..
But while we are on this subject I must say that in some cases media does indeed give too much attention. Of course they should report these dramas but headlines with like *SPECIAL INTERVIEW OF MASS MURDERER'S MOM*... That's what I call unnecessary. But because this mass murdering seems to begin everyday thing, which is sad ofc , they have nothing new to offer anymore of these kinda things. So yeah hopefully these news stays as reports of actual cases.
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The availability of guns does play a role, but it's the culture that takes the weight here. In this case we are speaking about, we have what causes the problem (violent culture) and that is what makes the thing in USA exclusively a phenomenom.
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its sad that we live in a world full of violence, hate and you know the rest... :cry:
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The availability of guns does play a role, but it's the culture that takes the weight here. In this case we are speaking about, we have what causes the problem (violent culture) and that is what makes the thing in USA exclusively a phenomenom.
I have no doubts anymore, its the downfall of USA, enough time USA spent as a superpower, Welcome to the league of countries like Zambia and Zimbabwe.
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The availability of guns does play a role, but it's the culture that takes the weight here. In this case we are speaking about, we have what causes the problem (violent culture) and that is what makes the thing in USA exclusively a phenomenom.
Culture, huh?
An amnesty can be held (as was held here in 1997 when all handguns are banned. Then anybody who is caught gets a hefty prison sentence.
It did work in reducing gun crime, of course it would be dumb to think it would stop it, but here's some information from a BBC article:
In 1995, 44 people between five and 16-years-old were victims of homicide. In 2005-06 the number was less than half of that - and during the in-between years it varied wildly. In the last year, it went up again. Crucially, almost half of all child victims are killed by a parent.
Gun ownership is high in the US, so some time would be needed to carry it out. The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.
But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.
Snipped from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list) the data is from 2007.
Pretty sure that's not the U.S. culture at fault.
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Culture, huh?
Pretty sure that's not the U.S. culture at fault.
Clearly wrong. Not even worth to discuss.
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Clearly wrong. Not even worth to discuss.
If it's wrong, show me your evidence. I'm fairly certain his is considered proof given that it's backed by statistical facts.
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Culture, huh?
Pretty sure that's not the U.S. culture at fault.
Yes, culture. What Reece talks about in the quote has nothing to do with culture. I know that in your schools anything south of Texas is treated as nothing so let me tell you - in Honduras, El Salvador etc. the violence is not prompted by culture. It is prompted by inequality and corruption.
Now the USA is a developed country, unlike El Salvador & neighbors. Yet they are more violent than the rest of the developed world?! We know USA don't have any 'environment factors' prompting violence, so the only option left is culture. The culture which is so friendly to dealing with problems through force that gives its country the award of biggest gun ownership.
It's nice to compare USA with a underdeveloped country, yeah? Now I wanna see you comparing USA with the rest of the developed world, where there is no significant inequality or corruption promoting violence.
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Yes, culture. What Reece talks about in the quote has nothing to do with culture. I know that in your schools anything south of Texas is treated as nothing so let me tell you - in Honduras, El Salvador etc. the violence is not prompted by culture. It is prompted by inequality and corruption.
So you're telling me that the kid who caused the Columbine Massacre wasn't prompted by inequality? Last I checked, it was caused by anger of being treated as inferior by others in his school.
Now I wanna see you comparing USA with the rest of the developed world, where there is no significant inequality or corruption promoting violence.
North Korea.
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North Korea.
N.Korea doesn't promote violence, it's just a pure dictatorship where everything evolves round it's leader. :poke:
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So you're telling me that the kid who caused the Columbine Massacre wasn't prompted by inequality? Last I checked, it was caused by anger of being treated as inferior by others in his school.
And why was he treated as inferior?
North Korea.
Ok, North Korea. What about it?
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And why was he treated as inferior?
Ok, North Korea. What about it?
1. He was bullied.
2. It's the example you asked for.
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1. He was bullied.
2. It's the example you asked for.
1. Bullied because of social position? I doubt very much.
2. wat
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1. Bullied because of social position? I doubt very much.
That's how most kids are bullied these days. How could it not be because of social position?
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Looks, habits, etc... I believe there are quite a lot of reasons coming before social position that would motivate such bullying.
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Topic: Four Shot dead in Tulsa, Oklahoma->Not surprised->News->Comparing the US to the UK->Culture->Not worth to discuss->North Korea->Bullying because of "social position
Uhhh.... Really???!?!? WTF.....
One topic with many stories... Truly WTF.
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Looks, habits, etc... I believe there are quite a lot of reasons coming before social position that would motivate such bullying.
Where do you think social position gets defined?
Topic: Four Shot dead in Tulsa, Oklahoma->Not surprised->News->Comparing the US to the UK->Culture->Not worth to discuss->North Korea->Bullying because of "social position
Uhhh.... Really???!?!? WTF.....
One topic with many stories... Truly WTF.
It is, indeed, a bit off-topic, however holds some relevance. I do agree that we should get back on topic, though.
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1 topic with a side story could change the whole topic...
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Where do you think social position gets defined?
Income defines social position. Not looks or habits.
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Income defines social position. Not looks or habits.
Income can define both.
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I'm talking about social class here. This doesn't go past than subjective concepts (judging looks and habits), and that you have anywhere... So answering to your question, it hasn't to do with social inequality.
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I'm talking about social class here. This doesn't go past than subjective concepts (judging looks and habits), and that you have anywhere... So answering to your question, it hasn't to do with social inequality.
You're completely straying away from what I said about the kid who caused the Columbine Massacre...
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You're completely straying away from what I said about the kid who caused the Columbine Massacre...
So answering to your question, it hasn't to do with social inequality.
So you're telling me that the kid who caused the Columbine Massacre wasn't prompted by inequality?
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You still have not made your point.