A better trading market would be within the commonwealth, who have a British culture or a variation and most speak English, along with those who were formally part of the commonwealth. Besides, most of the EU need our trade as much as we do, so the idea that as soon as we leave the EU would mean we wouldn't be able to trade with the rest of Europe is absurd.You would be able to trade on the same terms as China.
Want to go out? No problem but....Going out? No problem, heres some reasons to,
- all trade agreements that the UK benefits from in EU will be voided. Export to the EU will be taxed with import duties.
- all benefits for easy passport control, possession of goods and businesses will be null and void
- all money that the EU has promised to invest in UK projects will have to be paid the UK citizens instead.
Tell this to anyone of Ukip and they will proclaim that they want to go back to times of the EEC, not abandon everything. Why? Because they want to keep the benefits and just look for a way to divert the blame for bad government to the EU.
While they are at it, they might as well make Scotland independent so they no longer have to pay for Welsh losses...
Want to go out? No problem but....
- all trade agreements that the UK benefits from in EU will be voided. Export to the EU will be taxed with import duties.
- all benefits for easy passport control, possession of goods and businesses will be null and void
- all money that the EU has promised to invest in UK projects will have to be paid the UK citizens instead.
Tell this to anyone of Ukip and they will proclaim that they want to go back to times of the EEC, not abandon everything. Why? Because they want to keep the benefits and just look for a way to divert the blame for bad government to the EU.
While they are at it, they might as well make Scotland independent so they no longer have to pay for Welsh losses...
The government needs to publicize a simple leaflet which explains CLEARLY the more important points of what we get out of the EU now and why we should be IN and another side of what the EU is stopping us from doing and why we should be OUT. People are just forming opinions based on what they see when they probably don't know the facts.
I support what Monkey said, the UK needs to trade more with the commonwealth, infact, the UK needs to focus everything on the commonwealth, it's a massive union with huge potential, and that potential isn't being grasped because the EU is too busy being dictated by the EU.
Are you aware what the Commonwealth is?I'm aware what it is, a union based on democracy and peace, the left overs of the British Empire.
It's a construct, an attempt by our imperialistic forefathers to maintain control/ influence over previous British colonies. It's merely a honorary creation, and has no real trade or economic value.
Probably not the place to ask this, but since you brought it up; why isn't UK using the EU currency?Why would we want to? The Eurozone is a complete and utter mess, the UK did a good thing by not joining it.
I'm aware what it is, a union based on democracy and peace, the left overs of the British Empire,.
It doesn't have anything special about it as it stands, but the UK, and all of the commonwealths independent nations could turn it into a massive economic and military superpower which actually fights for democracy and peace, unlike the US who just fights to defend the petrodollar, it has too much potential to be left untouched.
Probably not the place to ask this, but since you brought it up; why isn't UK using the EU currency?Because maintaining a single currency between so many wildly different economies is a deeply flawed concept that has bankrupted numerous nations in the last few years. The only thing that kept us from the same fate recently was the strength of the pound.
Though, how would that be led? Would it be any different to the EU?It would be lead by the presidents/prime ministers of every country on 1 board and all countries would keep their own currencies.
Plus, if that happened wouldn't we just be restoring the British Empire?
Rather than a provincial alliance of countries, our energies should be combined and focused to create a more efficient United Nations, that could promote worldwide trade, and military cooperation.
Because maintaining a single currency between so many wildly different economies is a deeply flawed concept that has bankrupted numerous nations in the last few years. The only thing that kept us from the same fate recently was the strength of the pound.Which of course clearly explains the 20% drop in value sincethe Euro was introduced.
tl;dr the euro sucks
Which of course clearly explains the 20% drop in value sincethe Euro was introduced.Greece isn't really bankrupt because they joined, though they would be better off if they never did join, Greece is bankrupt because when they did join, and got their 1billion of Euros(?) from the EU, they completely blew it on everything and anything, instead of investing it in logical things.
The UK was smart enough they would be bankrupt just like Greece should they join....
Now for the immigrants.The monarchy has no say in the UK, and the single party which controls the government was elected via a vote, and correct me if I'm wrong, majority voting is democracy, we can't play the EU for illegal immigrants, but we can blame the EU which forces us to have open border for the 'migrants' which come from Europe.
The UK is not part of the Schengen treaty, which means it has its own border control to blame for illegal immigrants, not the EU.
Also most immigrants come from Commonwealth countries and are eligible for a UK passport by law.
The UK is a constitutional monarchy with a system where a single party controls the Government. Hardly democratic in the way it was originally meant.
Gandalf.....Whats wrong with you?
My opinion? Eurozone is like a train wreck in slow motion.You forgot Ireland, thats a bankrupt mess, you thought independence would be better Ireland? You serve as an example to Scotland as why independence is bad.
They just won't accept the fact that it's collapsing. It's a Domino Effect, in economic means; Greece, Spain, Italy, and now France.
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Gandalf.....
My opinion? Eurozone is like a train wreck in slow motion.
They just won't accept the fact that it's collapsing. It's a Domino Effect, in economic means; Greece, Spain, Italy, and now France.
Gandalf.....All I see are your posts everywhere containing nothing but a single word followed by some dots.
The UK is a constitutional monarchy with a system where a single party controls the Government. Hardly democratic in the way it was originally meant.Yes one government controls the main government but in order for a law to be introduced it must first go through two houses - the Commons and the Lord's before going on to be law after Royal assent.
Greece isn't really bankrupt because they joined, though they would be better off if they never did join, Greece is bankrupt because when they did join, and got their 1billion of Euros(?) from the EU, they completely blew it on everything and anything, instead of investing it in logical things.And with people complaning as it is, how do you think the UK would fare if everything was 20% more expensive?
The monarchy has no say in the UK, and the single party which controls the government was elected via a vote, and correct me if I'm wrong, majority voting is democracy, we can't play the EU for illegal immigrants, but we can blame the EU which forces us to have open border for the 'migrants' which come from Europe.I am happy to correct you. Democracy is about laws and decisions in peace time being made by the people.
Whats wrong with you?
My opinion? Eurozone is like a train wreck in slow motion.How is California doing? And the other 31 states that are bankrupt?
They just won't accept the fact that it's collapsing. It's a Domino Effect, in economic means; Greece, Spain, Italy, and now France.
I am happy to correct you. Democracy is about laws and decisions in peace time being made by the people.Some I do agree with but then again every county in the UK has an elected representative for them which stands in Parliament. If you have an issue you can go to them and talk about it so they may raise it in Parliament. But then again if it goes against their party policy then they are unlikely to raise it in debate.
Not a group that represents half of the people, with a higer group that is not elected at all but appointed by the Crown that according to you has no say.
And with people complaning as it is, how do you think the UK would fare if everything was 20% more expensive?Not sure if I've understood you right, but if the EU made things in the UK get 20% more expensive then theres no doubt we'd be out..
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I am happy to correct you. Democracy is about laws and decisions in peace time being made by the people.If the people could make the laws, could you imagine what type of laws there'd be? :trust:
Not a group that represents half of the people, with a higer group that is not elected at all but appointed by the Crown that according to you has no say.
How is California doing? And the other 31 states that are bankrupt?I read not long ago, wether it was BS or not I don't know, that US states would start seeking independence within the next 30 years, starting with California, would be a small country though, lol.
In 2012 ALONE, 25,000 Albanians were arrested in London for stealing from/rigging ATM machinesOh yes, blame the criminal immigrants for all the problems.
More than half, the EU is nothing but a drain on our economy and a massive inflow of migrants.
Research published by University College London in July 2009 showed that EU migrants made a "substantial net contribution to the UK fiscal system", paying 37 per cent more in taxes than they received in welfare payments. However, "EEA national(s) who are economically inactive, including A8 and A2 nationals will not generally be entitled to income-related benefits". Researchers found that, on average, A8 migrants were younger and better educated than the native population, and that if they had the same demographic characteristics of natives, would be 13 per cent less likely to claim benefits and 28 per cent less likely to live in social housing.
From the fiscal point of view, this immigration has not been at all a burden on the welfare system. Rather, it has contributed to strengthen the fiscal position
Some I do agree with but then again every county in the UK has an elected representative for them which stands in Parliament. If you have an issue you can go to them and talk about it so they may raise it in Parliament. But then again if it goes against their party policy then they are unlikely to raise it in debate.And exactly that is how it works in the EU as well. Every country has a democratic representation of all parties elected in the European elections.
Oh yes, blame the criminal immigrants for all the problems.Oh crap, an Albanian!
Let's blame migrants! :DRight and the 25,000
How is California doing? And the other 31 states that are bankrupt?
Not sure if I've understood you right, but if the EU made things in the UK get 20% more expensive then theres no doubt we'd be out..Nope. You would be Greece....
If the people could make the laws, could you imagine what type of laws there'd be? :trust:It is going well in Switzerland. So you do not trust your own people to make laws?
I read not long ago, wether it was BS or not I don't know, that US states would start seeking independence within the next 30 years, starting with California, would be a small country though, lol.The states that are net contributors like Texas think about independence. Just like in the EU those who contribute have people shouting about it.
Nope. You would be Greece....Maybe so, but we'd still be out of the EU.
It is going well in Switzerland. So you do not trust your own people to make laws?Would you want the 'ADULTS' from the London riots making laws for your country?
The states that are net contributors like Texas think about independence.The UK contributes alot to the EU, and we arn't getting enough benefits in return to give us a reason to stay, so why would we want to?
Just like in the EU those who contribute have people shouting about it.
In the end you should not forget that until 2007 there was not a single person doubting the EU, and the single reason people are talking about exiting is that they need a diversion for the local mismanagement.
Reality is the only way you can change something is by having interest in your representatives in the EU, and take part in the elections for them.
Another reality is that every country has already signed away independence to a level that is irreversible without the whole EU being taken apart.
Oh crap, an Albanian!In 2001 there were 122.500 Albanians living in the UK, the number has not risen since.
The criminals that come here from Albania, along with other countries are a problem though.
I mean 25,000 Albanians arrested in 1 YEAR in London ALONE for stealing from ATMs, not sure about you, but I think thats a pretty major crime.
Nigel Farage did say, Albania is a corrupt mess ran by criminal organizations and should never have been allowed to join the EU.
Right and the 25,000 Albanians that stole from ATM's in London arnt a drain on police resources and our economy, ok.
Maybe so, but we'd still be out of the EU.Instead of contributing you would be receiving help. And of course half of your bank accounts would be confiscated. Well that would make those Albanians leave....
Would you want the 'ADULTS' from the London riots making laws for your country?
The UK contributes alot to the EU, and we arn't getting enough benefits in return to give us a reason to stay, so why would we want to?
Albania is a corrupt mess ran by criminal organizations and should never have been allowed to join the EU.To start off with, Albania is not even in the EU and proves to show that you have no idea what you're talking about. Second of all, Albania is currently one of the best countries in the Balkan that has improved in many fields, one of them being in economics.
Right and the 25,000 Albanians that stole from ATM's in London arnt a drain on police resources and our economy, ok.I don't even know if this is true considering I haven't heard anything about it, but even if it is, let's just blame those 25,000 Albanians for all the problems over there, and for the upcoming problems in the future.
The UK contributes alot to the EU, and we arn't getting enough benefits in return to give us a reason to stay, so why would we want to?
It seems to me the internal problems in the UK are far worse as anything regarding the EU.Michael Gove.
In 2001 there were 122.500 Albanians living in the UK, the number has not risen since.He said
Also Albania is NOT a member of the WU, it is in applicant status.
Another lie by Nigel....
Instead of contributing you would be receiving help. And of course half of your bank accounts would be confiscated. Well that would make those Albanians leave....:lol: The UK has already condemned what happend in Cyprus, I doubt they would do it here under any circumstances.
Perhaps you should first take care of those 'ADULTS' before pointing at the EU.Nigel runs the UK Independence Party, what do you expect? The main problems do not lay with the UK, though we do have many problems at home, the main problem is the EU, it's nothing but a distraction, without it, our government might actually be able to focus on what goes on here in the UK.
It seems to me the internal problems in the UK are far worse as anything regarding the EU. But people like Farage use the old tactic of pointing at an external factor they know will not disappear so they never get to the task of acutally doing what they shout about.
Germany and France contributes more than UK, and we don't complain. We try to find solutions, and not giving up. EU is something that needs time to construct and optimize.Thats because everything important happens in Germany, and France, well France, you need to start complaining, before you turn into a right shithole.
He said Albania is a corrupt mess and should not have been able to join the EU at all, that is not a lie, thats the truth
He said Albania is a corrupt mess and should not have been able to join the EU at all, that is not a lie, thats the truth.Bulgaria and Hungary are also good examples, but they are EU countries as well. Whether you like it or not, there's corruption every where you turn.
Fact remains that the 25,000 Albanians arrested in London last year, still came from the Albania to the UK, what does that say?We can talk about Albanian criminals being the main problem when Serbia or Bosnia removes the border controls.
It says we can expect alot more Albanian criminals if the EU allows the open border policy for Albania, I'm not saying all Albanians are criminals, but there is a MASSIVE criminal problem in Albania, and that problem is already spreading to other countries when the open border policy hasn't even happend yet.
Bulgaria and Hungary are also good examples, but they are EU countries as well. Whether you like it or not, there's corruption every where you turn.Read my previous post, I meant Romania this whole time, not Albania.
We can talk about Albanian criminals being the main problem when Serbia or Bosnia removes the border controls.
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I noticed your fail. Now I don't think you're a complete idiot anymore.
Mikal as you see you are making statements that are simply unfounded.\I'm looking on Youtube for it as we speak.
As for Romanians: in 2009 there were 58.000 of them living in the Uk, less than Albanians. Now you may believe that 50% of the Romanians are arrested, but I am sure reality is different and if you would find a transcript of the speech even Nigel Farage would not have said that.
By the way, you are aware that the EU is paying the salary of Nigel Farage, as he is a British representative in the EU parliament? Now if the EU was a dictatorship, would they allow their opposition to be part of their parliament?Tell me, who elected President Van Rompuy?
Think of that and then see what weight really to give.
You want the problems solved? Get to work, create new things and create jobs.It's easy for you to give all this advice, but your country is not one of the ones being ruined by this union.
Take the UK out of the crisis, and other countries will follow.
The alternative is not an alternative. If you feel your boss spends too much on unneeded things you can resign and sit at home without money, or try to make him see things your way by facts.
Nigel Farage vs. Tony Blair FULL ORIGINAL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT--RnOYORI#)Blair got owned, but when he responded to Nigel, all the EU suckups applauded, despite the fact that Nigel was right.
Couldn't find the same page I found before, but hey, heres something just as clear that shows allowing them to have open borders to the EU, is just as freaking bad.It is not freaking bad, but frealing hilarious.
News:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285177/28-000-Romanians-held-crimes-UK-5-years--68-000-living-here.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285177/28-000-Romanians-held-crimes-UK-5-years--68-000-living-here.html)
It is not freaking bad, but freaking hilarious.How can this not be a problem? Damn, what the hell..
If you have to believe the figures, for every crime 5 Romanians are caught.
And 1.5% of all of them land in jail.
That is not a problem of Romanians I am seeing there, nor of the EU....
The same debate is going on in my country aswell as in the UK. The current situation of the southern states within the EU is facinating, and a little scary. Unfortunately, it is all about politics, and the bureaucracy in Brussels. The EU have tried to set a basic economy onto all European states which is not possible, as all states varies geographicaly, demographicaly and economic.Well said. :bow:
Unfortunately, what the EU has done, is to cut in the public sector in most countries that suffer hard from the economic crisis. Privatisation of hospitals, schools, energy, water supply, industry...
They should have learned from Iceland. Iceland was at rock bottom a few years ago. Just as Greece, Spain, Cyprus and so on.
The EU is unfortunately a dead project, and not democratic at all. Moving the democracy, in UKs position, from London to Brussels is very undemocratic. Who knows the UK best? Citizen within the UK, or bureaucrats in Brussels?
How can this not be a problem? Damn, what the hell..It is a problem, but shows rahter the inefficiency or bad statistical data of the Britsh law enforcement as anything to do with the EU.
The same debate is going on in my country aswell as in the UK. The current situation of the southern states within the EU is facinating, and a little scary. Unfortunately, it is all about politics, and the bureaucracy in Brussels. The EU have tried to set a basic economy onto all European states which is not possible, as all states varies geographicaly, demographicaly and economic.And more bullshit...
Unfortunately, what the EU has done, is to cut in the public sector in most countries that suffer hard from the economic crisis. Privatisation of hospitals, schools, energy, water supply, industry...
They should have learned from Iceland. Iceland was at rock bottom a few years ago. Just as Greece, Spain, Cyprus and so on.
The EU is unfortunately a dead project, and not democratic at all. Moving the democracy, in UKs position, from London to Brussels is very undemocratic. Who knows the UK best? Citizen within the UK, or bureaucrats in Brussels?
All because nobody really voted for Bonnie Tyler in the Eurovision song contest. :roll: :DThat's a good point for us leaving the EU. No damn Eurovision.
That's a good point for us leaving the EU. No damn Eurovision.
Eurovison is not related to EU...It used to be, but the actual purpose has been lost for some time.
Eurovison is not related to EU...Crap.
Yeah but even if they leave EU, they'll most likely take part to EurovisionHa to loose every time. No thanks.
And more bullshit...Gandalf, maybe when Russia joins the EU, we'll see if you talk about how good it is then. :razz:
The EU has not cut any public sector, it has been the decision of local governments to earn quick money and push away responsibility.
Every state has its own possibility for most laws, the only requirement is that they must open the laws for fellow EU citizens. Every state can make their own budget, own spending and own taxes. What is required however is that they do not overspend their income by more than 3%. Which by itself is already too much. If you spend every month more than you earn, it will not go well.
Countries did try to learn from Iceland. What did Iceland do? Simply denied all people who invested money in their banks and took the amount to themselves.
Cyprus did the same, others may follow.
Sure if you owe everyone money and decide to tell them you will never repay, your own situation suddenly improves.
The EU is a completely democratic project and every citizen of every country has had the right to vote for all that happened and is still happening.
But if you have a lot of money, you do not care your neighbour drives a Mercedes. However if you have little or none, suddenly you want to know how he pays for it...
The EU has huge benefits, as it has removed inner passport control, created an easy market for companies to trade on so they can compete on a global scale.
The Euro is accepted in China as much as the USD and in general found to be more stable.
Disbanding the EU or the Euro currency is not a magic solution. First of all the direct costs are huge, in a time that most governments are already out of money. Second IMHO if a country leaves, they should not keep the favourable trade conditions but indeed be put on a level like China or Bangladesh, meaning their products will rise 14% in price for their EU customers.
So where would this money come from? The EU? :roll:
Ha to lose every time. No thanks.
Gandalf, maybe when Russia joins the EU, we'll see if you talk about how good it is then. :razz:Russia had its own EU until the early 90's and is going to build another one soon.
Russia had its own EU until the early 90's and is going to build another one soon.
Gandalf, maybe when Russia joins the EU, we'll see if you talk about how good it is then. :razz:Russia has offered to join the EU. Hoever the British were against as they felt they would lose power. :cool:
All because nobody really voted for Bonnie Tyler in the Eurovision song contest. :roll: :D
Bonnie Tyler - Holding Out For A Hero (Official Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVtaVrUAPK0#)
Russia had its own EU until the early 90's and is going to build another one soon.I wish you good luck Russia, please ensure you consume that country known as the USA, I'm fed up of them dragging us into useless wars specifically created to defend the petrodollar.
Russia has offered to join the EU. Hoever the British were against as they felt they would lose power. :cool:We all know Russia is stronger than the UK, no need to rub it in Gandalf.
You guys need to stop reading the Daily MailDAILY MAIL, LOL. I don't read that crap! The Sun is much more factual!
I like the thought of ghostly-white pasty-looking Welshmen moaning because they don't have their visa to go and get drunk and sunburnt...What?! The only time I've ever left the UK was when I went on holiday to Ireland, other than that, I don't think theres any other country I'de rather go to, and if I did ever go to another country my goals would not be to get wrecked. Also, going abroad and getting pissed is more of an English thing, Welsh people are much more into sitting in a cozy field with some fluffy sheep. :)
Pope spoke, amen :pop:
no newspaper is factual m80Theres a newspaper called I in the UK, thats actually very factual. ;)
World War III isn't here yet. ;)World War 3 ended long ago.
DAILY MAIL, LOL. I don't read that crap! The Sun is much more factual!Oh?
News:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285177/28-000-Romanians-held-crimes-UK-5-years--68-000-living-here.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285177/28-000-Romanians-held-crimes-UK-5-years--68-000-living-here.html)
What?! The only time I've ever left the UK was when I went on holiday to IrelandI didn't mention you, did I?
Oh?I was being sarcastic... Can we get a face palm smiley over here? :gd:
I didn't mention you, did I?
Don't believe everything you read in the newspaper, at least not if you're not prepared to read and watch news and other material from other countries in other languages. That's the only real way to gauge what's going on, instead of reading the crap found in the Daily Mail and the Sun, newspapers that report on the most ridiculous non-news and seem to get away with writing whatever the hell they like.I don't care what Wales gets from the EU, fact is they are stealing our country, and everyone elses in the EU in a future attempt to merge them all into 1 giant mass of corruption.
But just for balance's sake, here's how you stand to lose out: http://oggybloggyogwr.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/what-wales-gets-from-european-union.html (http://oggybloggyogwr.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/what-wales-gets-from-european-union.html)
http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.uk/2010/07/13/headline-lies-from-the-daily-mail/ (http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.uk/2010/07/13/headline-lies-from-the-daily-mail/)
Remember that ignorance is no excuse for saying or doing whatever the hell you like. The resources are there to read up on what happens where. All it requires is time, patience, and knowing useful languages.
I was being sarcastic... Can we get a face palm smiley over here? :gd:Didn't realize things were that bad that you're the only one still living there...
- I'm from Wales, you said Welsh people, derp.
I don't care what Wales gets from the EU, fact is they are stealing our country, and everyone elses in the EU in a future attempt to merge them all into 1 giant mass of corruption.While I agree that some aspects of their community project are a little unrealistic, not all of it is a bad idea. Many farmers, for example, would be unable to survive without the land and farming subsidies granted by the EU. If they can't, then it's British produce gone down the pan.
What'd be interesting is who'd be eligible to vote in such a referendum. Just British citizens? Or like in some local elections, EU citizens and other residents from different countries with a residency visa?Only British born people should be allowed to vote in such referendum, it's our country, why should those from outside influence a vote which could do more good for their country and travel than for us British people and what we actually want.
Don't leave the EU! I'm planning to immigrate to UK. :)As long as you contribute to the society here and not just come to take from the State, we will have no problem. Most of us are nice but obviously there some that aren't as with anywhere :)
Only British born people should be allowed to vote in such referendum, it's our country, why should those from outside influence a vote which could do more good for their country and travel than for us British people and what we actually want.yep. a real fan of democracy here..... :rofl:
yep. a real fan of democracy here..... :rofl:I'm a fan of democracy, only if the British are involved. :evil:
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I'm a fan of democracy, only if the British are involved. :evil:
So if the UK wants to get rid of the Welsh and send them to Atlantis, it's okay if the Welsh don't have a vote. Super!Maybe the UK can have a referendum to kick England out, and ensure the English can't vote. Super! :roll:
See? It works both ways. If people are voting on something which would potentially affect your living and working arrangements, wouldn't you want to be able to vote too?It doesn't matter anyway since the number of British born people out number the amount of immigrants by tens of millions.
Why is so many anti-immigration friendly? Our country suffer from Nazism, Our third biggest party in Sweden wants to reduce the immigration by 90 percent, for 40 years ago, they was all wearing Nazism symbols, now the changed and tries to fit into the society, but they still got same concept when it comes to politics.Sure Al, if you want to lose everything that makes you Swedish, immigrants ruin countries identities, everyone should stay in their own countries, unless they are looking for a holiday. :cool:
People wants to quit EU due the immigration, because it costs and because the individuality feels humiliated by the "bad welfare", the question is, do you really live in such horrible condition that you can't let new people inside the border? Don't you care about the country and what it brings for opportunities to have a big population?
I'm probably the only soul in Sweden who wants more immigration, who wants to open it totally! It would cost alot, yes. But it would bring in 5-10 years if not shorter time, a great economical boost! In five years, Sweden will be grown to 10,000,000 people and I hope it will be grown a lot more.
We already takes in a lot of asylum searches, the number is between 50,000 to 60,000(statistic from the state immigration-service) per year, and are one of the country who takes in the most people per year.
We swedes are loyal to the EU and we know the immigration itself has nothing to do with EU, but with the political parties.
Let's look at the United Kingdom, amongest some of the larger economies of Europe and Russian Federation:
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In light of the above - I ponder why the UK are contemplating withdrawing?
Sure Al, if you want to lose everything that makes you Swedish, immigrants ruin countries identities, everyone should stay in their own countries, unless they are looking for a holiday. :cool:And how does that actually happen? They speak your language, and even if they do get your passport, it will be YOUR nationality on the passport, not theirs. I don't understand how you like democracy, yet sound like a big fan of Adolf Hitler.
And how does that actually happen? They speak your language, and even if they do get your passport, it will be YOUR nationality on the passport, not theirs. I don't understand how you like democracy, yet sound like a big fan of Adolf Hitler.I see more mosques in the UK than churches today, might not be the same in Sweden, but we here are certainly losing out culture, nurseries can't even sing ba ba black sheep anymore just incase an immigrant gets offended, sheesh.
I see more mosques in the UK than churches today, might not be the same in Sweden, but we here are certainly losing out culture, nurseries can't even sing ba ba black sheep anymore just incase an immigrant gets offended, sheesh.
Bullshit. Where in the UK are you - Karachi?! Typical brainwashed drivel. This sort of crap only comes from one place - the parents.Coming from a keen member of the Catholic church.. :roll:
no newspaper is factual m80The Onion
I see more mosques in the UK than churches today, might not be the same in Sweden, but we here are certainly losing out culture, nurseries can't even sing ba ba black sheep anymore just incase an immigrant gets offended, sheesh.So is it a Muslim problem or generally the immigrants at fault? I can't seem to get your point rather than you just randomly throwing hate on foreigners in Britain.
I see more mosques in the UK than churches today, might not be the same in Sweden, but we here are certainly losing out culture, nurseries can't even sing ba ba black sheep anymore just incase an immigrant gets offended, sheesh.Your culture? I thought the British were once proud of being a global empire with territories on all continents. That means automatically that you have people and culture coming from all continents. If you can not accept that, why are you longing for a return of those times?
Coming from a keen member of the Catholic church.. :roll:
Your culture? I thought the British were once proud of being a global empire with territories on all continents. That means automatically that you have people and culture coming from all continents. If you can not accept that, why are you longing for a return of those times?Right because we had territories in Pakistan, Poland and Romania..
Being Welsh doesn't mean you shag sheep. Similarly, having a religion thrust upon you at birth doesn't make you a believer... :)Theres 3 mosques within a 1 mile radius of my home and only 1 church..
Right because we had territories in Pakistan, Poland and Romania..Theres 3 mosques within a 1 mile radius of my home and only 1 church..Poland and Romania is a long time back but Pakistan? Yes.
The modern state of Pakistan was established on 14 August 1947 (27 Ramadan 1366 in the Islamic Calendar) in the eastern and northwestern regions of British India, where there was a Muslim majority.This also means that every Pakistani who has parents or grandparents born before 1956 has the birth right of Britisch citizenship.
Upon independence, King George VI became the King of Pakistan.
Nawabzada Liaquat Ali Khan, one of the founding fathers and the first Prime minister of Pakistan, presenting the national flag in the first constituent assembly
The Minar-e-Pakistan, a symbol of Pakistan's independence
The Pakistan Monument in Islamabad.
After independence, the President of the Muslim League, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, became the new nation's first Governor-General, and the Secretary General of the Muslim League, Nawabzada Liaquat Ali Khan became the first Prime Minister. From 1947 to 1956, Pakistan was a dominion in the Commonwealth of Nations under two monarchs. In 1947, King George VI relinquished the title of Emperor of India and became King of Pakistan. He retained that title until his death on 6 February 1952, after which Queen Elizabeth II became Queen of Pakistan.
She retained that title until Pakistan became an Islamic and Parliamentary republic in 1956.
Let's look at the United Kingdom, amongest some of the larger economies of Europe and Russian Federation:
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In light of the above - I ponder why the UK are contemplating withdrawing?
Can anybody see the image? I can.You are known to see things others can not... :lol:
Theres 3 mosques within a 1 mile radius of my home and only 1 church..Doesn't mean to say it's the same for everywhere in the UK. I live within a mile to 2 churches.
I see more mosques in the UK than churches today, might not be the same in Sweden, but we here are certainly losing out culture, nurseries can't even sing ba ba black sheep anymore just incase an immigrant gets offended, sheesh.
Have you thought of joining the EDL? There are some like minded people you may be interested in.Ironic how they want to ban the burka when they themselves cover up their faces in the same way.
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Can anybody see the image? I can.I can :)
Can anybody see the image? I can.
Have you thought of joining the EDL? There are some like minded people you may be interested in.Welsh Defence League anyone?
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Ironic how they want to ban the burka when they themselves cover up their faces in the same way.I support it being removed, if us Brits did it, we'd be stopped and questioned by the police for looking suspicious.
Btw, I'm starting to think you're a Muslim, with all the 'Muslims are good people' stuff you're throwing around.I'm not a Muslim nor am I religious but you could say that I'm considered to be Christian but I don't go to Church or anything. Why should you judge a whole group of people on the actions of just a few.
I'm not a Muslim nor am I religious but you could say that I'm considered to be Christian but I don't go to Church or anything. Why should you judge a whole group of people on the actions of just a few.I can judge the whole group because the bible they worship tells them to slaughter all non-believers, and a large majority of them actually try to do it.
I will put it this way to you as I'm getting the impression you are anti-Muslim. If a white man commits the same crimes as these two men did, then would you brand every white person as a extremist Christian and want them to be deported? No you wouldn't. I don't see why you are doing it for this incident.
I'm not racist, I just think if they want to live here, they should be more like British peopleBy talking in your gay English accent and trying to manipulate the world that the immigrants are the devils in every country? Great advice.
By talking in your gay English accent and trying to manipulate the world that the immigrants are the devils in every country? Great advice.
According to CNN, it's the world's 7th sexiest accent.News tell us that Germany is all about democracy and that there aren't anymore Nazis, but yeah, that's not true. ;)
The UK is one of the least racist countries in the world:
I can judge the whole group because the bible they worship tells them to slaughter all non-believers, and a large majority of them actually try to do it.That whole paragraph seems anti-Muslim to me. These extremists are a minority and that's why we should target why these sort of people turn to do these things when often they are born in this country.
I'm not anti-Muslim either, I just think their religion and their beliefs do not belong in the UK.
I like curry, doesn't mean I enjoy immigrants living off the British benefits system stinking entire streets and blocks of houses out with garlic.
By talking in your gay English accentyou just jelly
you just jellyNot really.
By talking in your gay English accent and trying to manipulate the world that the immigrants are the devils in every country? Great advice.How can a Welsh person have a gay English accent? Seems like you're another person who thinks everyone in the UK is English, pretty stupid.. And have you ever heard an English accent other than on American movies where the accent is highly over exaggerated? Go to England, you'll probibly not hear anything like it.
That whole paragraph seems anti-Muslim to me. These extremists are a minority and that's why we should target why these sort of people turn to do these things when often they are born in this country.Regardless of the extremist numbers, they still praise the book which encourages mass gruesome slaughter of billions of people, if these 'peaceful Muslims' do not believe in that part, what makes them think the rest of it is real? What makes them believe in Allah if they do not believe in the mass slaughter and such which is written in his book? How can they not be crazy?
News tell us that Germany is all about democracy and that there aren't anymore Nazis, but yeah, that's not true. ;)
I can judge the whole group because the bible they worship tells them to slaughter all non-believers, and a large majority of them actually try to do it.This just shows how ignorant you are to Islam. If you don't know what Quran says about non-believers, then just for your own sakes, be quiet or face the consequences of humiliating yourself.
Don't understand GDP, is that chart good for us or bad? :lol:Really dude? You want out of the EU, which is economy based union without even understanding the basics of economy. Do you think it is wise to make decisions about subjects you know nothing about.
By talking in your gay English accentAre you on about the Welsh or all the accents :roll:
This just shows how ignorant you are to Islam. If you don't know what Quran says about non-believers, then just for your own sakes, be quiet or face the consequences of humiliating yourself.I don't care how you see me, don't tell me to be quiet either.
Really dude? You want out of the EU, which is economy based union without even understanding the basics of economy. Do you think it is wise to make decisions about subjects you know nothing about.That might be the case at the moment, but they are trying to turn it into more than a political union, such as trying to merge all our militarys into 1 large European military, trying to get rid of all our cultural identities just to create 1 giant European identity, they have already merged most of Europes economies through the Euro, than god the UK didn't join in on that party.
Are you on about the Welsh or all the accents :roll:Quit trying to indirectly provoke Welsh people, you've probibly never been to Wales, if you had been you'd know that only a small majority of the Welsh population have a 'Welsh accent' such as in the valleys, where as in Cardiff you won't find any.
Quit trying to indirectly provoke Welsh people, you've probibly never been to Wales, if you had been you'd know that only a small majority of the Welsh population have a 'Welsh accent' such as in the valleys, where as in Cardiff you won't find any.
Someones get a little touchy about his people are being stereotyped..I don't give a shit wether people make bad jokes about Welsh people, we could do the same about the English, but I didn't say anything about the English for him to come back and call the Welsh accent gay.. Not that I have a Welsh accent and not that it's 'gay'..
Quit trying to indirectly provoke Welsh people, you've probibly never been to Wales, if you had been you'd know that only a small majority of the Welsh population have a 'Welsh accent' such as in the valleys, where as in Cardiff you won't find any.I've been to Wales quite a few times and like going there. Was actually going to defend the Welsh but look how it backfired.
I've been to Wales quite a few times and like going there. Was actually going to defend the Welsh but look how it backfired.Well UKIP has pretty much explained every reason to leave, where as the other parties haven't explained any reasons to stay.
Before us Brits decide on whether to be in/out we need clear information as it's clear from this topic you have either been sucked into the OUT by UKIP or just want things to stay the same. We really haven't heard valid reasons just "I think this so vote for me".
Well UKIP has pretty much explained every reason to leave, where as the other parties haven't explained any reasons to stay.That's my point. We haven't been given proper information on the IN/OUT debate only just pressure from UKIP saying "we want out" and Conservatives with others saying "we want to stay".
That's my point. We haven't been given proper information on the IN/OUT debate only just pressure from UKIP saying "we want out" and Conservatives with others saying "we want to stay".No but UKIP actually gave reasons to leave, and I believe them, the other parties just say 'We should stay, Ill negotiate this and that' - Only because the EU is best for their own personal gain, Nigel Farage said he doesn't care if he ever becomes prime minister, aslong as UKIP influences an EU exit and a stronger UK he said he does not care, where as people like Cameron, have already been pulling strings to be re-elected, it's people like Cameron that are making the UK weaker, along with Labour who destroyed our military and let everyone get stuck into sitting on the British benefits system, intead of actually encouraging people to work for a living, at the end of the day, if UKIP policies stay the same they are the only party I'll ever vote for, the conservatives and lib dems are full of crap, and labour completely wastes money and feeds everyone cash on a spoon just to get re-elected, because it's their only way of doing it.
That might be the case at the moment, but they are trying to turn it into more than a political union, such as trying to merge all our militarys into 1 large European military, trying to get rid of all our cultural identities just to create 1 giant European identity, they have already merged most of Europes economies through the Euro, than god the UK didn't join in on that party.I think you have been watching way too much the New World Order "documentaries".
Mikal, you're like a walking contradiction and it's really getting quite embarrassing now.I don't get embarrassed. :)
Nigel Farage said he doesn't care if he ever becomes prime minister, aslong as UKIP influences an EU exit and a stronger UK he said he does not careI'm sure he does care about being the PM after all that's the only way that his party would actually be able to get policies through that he wanted. If you don't have majority seats then you haven't got the power to get anything turned into physical policy.
Nigel Farage said he doesn't care if he ever becomes prime minister, aslong as UKIP influences an EU exit and a stronger UK he said he does not care, where as people like Cameron, have already been pulling strings to be re-elected.
I don't get embarrassed. :)
Politics 101: They always care about becoming prime minister or any other higher position, and they'll always deny itI hope this is true for Boris Johnson. :D
I'm sure he does care about being the PM after all that's the only way that his party would actually be able to get policies through that he wanted. If you don't have majority seats then you haven't got the power to get anything turned into physical policy.UKIP wont win this time round, but the time next, maybe.
I think the election will be between Labour, Conservatives and UKIP. From that I think people feel completely screwed over by Cameron and the coalition so it's Labour vs UKIP. But then Ed doesn't put up much of a fight and UKIP can be seen as quite extreme to some people. It looks to be one that will be quite hard to call but I suppose we shall have to see nearer the time. To be honest I think Labour picked the wrong brother.
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I hope this is true for Boris Johnson. :DBoris the clown. :lol:
I'm guessing it will be the Conservatives, again. :cry:Would you rather Labour got in again? :roll:
Would you rather Labour got in again? :roll:Labour are a bunch of lazy ass lickers who encourage people to sit on benefits. :roll:
UKIP aren't going to win a general election, it just simply isn't going to happen.
The only thing that might happen some years in the future is a coalition with the Conservatives but even that's quite a few years away.