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Petition to re-construct the economy.

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Reply #15 on: January 05, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
Admins set the tax rate to a fucking absurd 30% due to the fact that they're trolling and at the same time don't take any shit from anybody. Please, more than a quarter goes to the bank? Are you insane?
Both in Finland and UK, which happen to be mine and Klaus' home countries, people can be taxed 20 to 40% out of their salary.

You're getting off easy that we decided to apply a 30% cap on the tax. As for the trolling part...  :hah:

And that's the thing; admins don't want to simulate economies and that shit because they are administrators.
You are correct, admins do not simulate economy nor do they control it.

Me, Klaus and the others in the development team control how much money circulates in the server and how fast you should earn it. Most admins have never had anything to do with the economy side of the server on the development side.

(aka those who own the 3 ammunations, please don't tell me enormous power doesn't come from the fact you are literally the only source of weapons, and weapon prices are at your mercy?

Congratulations, you have grasped a core feature of the server which is running a business. Ammunations are the most profitable businesses and they control the legal ways to obtain weapons, as it always has been. You're just salty you're not one of those people who did the work to have an ammunation in the first place.

a casual criminal (Kessu, Nylez for example) or a hardline criminal (Martino, me, Alarba, Affanster, Han, Amal for example)
A hardcore criminal does not call the cops on himself. A hardcore criminal is the invisible one, that you most often don't even know is doing crimes, because they do not want to attract police. But each to their own - I would like to see you as a hardcore criminal do something in the server that doesn't involve calling the cops on yourself for imaginary kidnapping  :hah:

TL:DR stop being lazy fucks and have money circle around instead of spawning it from the server's asshole, thx

Said by the guy who barely ever plays and knows nothing of how we vision the server to be.



I edited your posts to remove the font you had set because it was total garbage font.


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Reply #16 on: January 05, 2020, 03:01:00 pm
What crime, love, what crime?
If you fail to see the crime rate, you shouldn't even be here at all.

and then the influential people (aka those who own the 3 ammunations, please don't tell me enormous power doesn't come from the fact you are literally the only source of weapons
It's called market. It's a monopoly, and nothing is going to change that.

I never cringed so hard in my life, do you seriously expect me to roam around the server and boringly interact with people legally, when literally not even a single soul is doing that? You are out of your mind.
I can testify myself that I have done many legal roleplays before. The latest (about 1-2 months ago, admittedly) was with Stalker, who can testify the roleplay between me and him at Robina's.

Alright, that may be too harsh, yes there's script support for pizzaboy, but eveybody who's not a cop (Stalker, Aky, Klaus :( for example) is either a casual criminal (Kessu, Nylez for example) or a hardline criminal (Martino, me, Alarba, Affanster, Han, Amal for example)
>casual criminal
>Kessu and Nylez
Now, let me take you back to 2015...

TL:DR stop being lazy fucks and have money circle around instead of spawning it from the server's asshole, thx

After around 45 minutes of thinking with a very short sighted view, I have come to the conclusion that only Stormeus' idea about a government fund works - the fund will be used to reward legal players and such. Simulating actual money circulation is a really complex ordeal and should be thought much, much further.



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Reply #17 on: January 05, 2020, 03:04:21 pm
After around 45 minutes of thinking with a very short sighted view, I have come to the conclusion that only Stormeus' idea about a government fund works - the fund will be used to reward legal players and such. Simulating actual money circulation is a really complex ordeal and should be thought much, much further.
We looked in to creating a whole economy system, but we also declared that at some point it forces us to reset the entire server because the economy would get fucked up.

You can not simulate a realistic economy in a game like this. It simply put isn't possible.


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Reply #18 on: January 05, 2020, 08:30:07 pm
After these posts, I must admit my arguments in the second post were badly structured, and that they were weak in their core.

I edited your posts to remove the font you had set because it was total garbage font.


I guess I have to admit Times New Roman is pretty bad, I just looked for a classy font, but your choice.
I remember a forum once with that font, and everybody complained.

Admins set the tax rate to a fucking absurd 30% due to the fact that they're trolling and at the same time don't take any shit from anybody. Please, more than a quarter goes to the bank? Are you insane?
Both in Finland and UK, which happen to be mine and Klaus' home countries, people can be taxed 20 to 40% out of their salary.

You're getting off easy that we decided to apply a 30% cap on the tax. As for the trolling part...  :hah:


Alright then, makes sense I guess. I was wrong.

Me, Klaus and the others in the development team control how much money circulates in the server and how fast you should earn it. Most admins have never had anything to do with the economy side of the server on the development side.


Makes sense, I guess, but I was more referring to a government body I assume won't happen.

Congratulations, you have grasped a core feature of the server which is running a business. Ammunations are the most profitable businesses and they control the legal ways to obtain weapons, as it always has been. You're just salty you're not one of those people who did the work to have an ammunation in the first place.

No, please read the context of my statement. I was indeed confirming that, but I only was referring to the influential people in the server. Then again, I assume I worded myself badly. Really sorry for that.

A hardcore criminal does not call the cops on himself. A hardcore criminal is the invisible one, that you most often don't even know is doing crimes, because they do not want to attract police. But each to their own - I would like to see you as a hardcore criminal do something in the server that doesn't involve calling the cops on yourself for imaginary kidnapping  :hah:


Under the scope of this argument, me and Huntsman defined ''hardcore criminals'' as people actually vocal about being criminals.
What's the point of this ad hominem attack? There's absolutely no point in sarcastically insulting me. This is a reasonable argument, please leave the trolling for the server.
What the actual fuck, though? I simply stole mister Frost's (the officer in question) radio and said ''me or the funeral director, $5000''. We were in my opinion roleplaying more than the entire server combined, Martino can confirm (he's Frost ;))

Said by the guy who barely ever plays and knows nothing of how we vision the server to be.


1. Who gives a fuck if I play or not? The thing you quoted currently was my (wrong) opinion about the economy, and a to be honest very harsh and dumb suggestion. (About the insult of being lazy asses)
2. What? On 0:00 1.1.2019, I was on the server and was active since then. Only today have I staggered behind, because I indeed do have a real life. I no-lifed the shit out of the server between yesterday and the first, and you say I barely play?
I was inactive due to me overestimating school and thinking it'd be hell. Fortunately, it was not.
3. Alright, it's your server, I have no real say in this, I just posted a suggestion (without caring about your vision of it), what you want is what you can make.

If you fail to see the crime rate, you shouldn't even be here at all.


You put this way out of context, Kessu did too. Why don't you read the roots of this argument? You clearly didn't, as Kessu's post had reasonable arguments and critiques, but yours is literal shit. Not trying to insult you, and yes I admit I was wrong, but the way you said I was wrong was dumb.
I was simply saying that either you are a light criminal, a hard criminal or a police officer, with nothing ''not-boring'' in-between.
Please read my first post, you have honestly no idea what you're talking about here.

It's called market. It's a monopoly, and nothing is going to change that.


I guess what I said for Kessu can apply here.

I can testify myself that I have done many legal roleplays before. The latest (about 1-2 months ago, admittedly) was with Stalker, who can testify the roleplay between me and him at Robina's.


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1. Don Gonzales? having fucking legal roleplays doesn't deny you being a crime boss (aka what I said earlier, hardline criminal)
Indeed, in your lifetime on this server you haven't smuggled shit on the yacht, smuggled cars, killed people and the list goes on (which I was talking about, that was the point of my argument)
2. .. keep this in mind, alright?

>casual criminal
>Kessu and Nylez
Now, let me take you back to 2015...

Alright, now remember when I said ''keep this in mind, alright?''
Yes, well you were literally saying before, literally on the last argument, is that you used an instance of non-criminal roleplay as excuse for this shit. You are literally contradicting yourself, you just compared yourself to a minor roleplay that happened 1-2 month(s) ago, and now you are referring to these former ''hardline criminals'', now ''soft criminals'' as if they haven't changed.
Currently they are ''soft criminals'', also known as ''legitimate businessmen'' which own respectively a warehouse and a sprayshop, and are not officially part of a gang. BUT indeed they don't smuggle cars, never have killed anybody, haven't done any crimes, nonono.

But then again, I digress, that what I said was indeed stupid, and it'd be best if it was ignored. I'm sorry for anyone who contracted brain cancer.


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Reply #19 on: January 06, 2020, 10:17:54 am
Your honor,

could my topic be closed? It wasn't made to create a World vs Samir situation.
I tried to do something, nobody really understood why, so there's no point keeping this open.

Thank you,

Nylez

Ohhh so you're saying you're hurt, pansy? It's just a few holes, tough it out.


 


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