All things must come to an end.

[Ted]

Look at it this way... everyone will be on a level playing field. If you know how to earn money or have ideas you'll earn money in no time if it matters to you. It also gives those who have been sitting and throwing their money in the air and bathing in it a chance to work for money again.

It's not the 'end' of the 'world' you know.. lets say it gives you something to do?

[iDavid]

The money isn't the most important thing, but it's needed.

How is money even needed?
How can money help you roleplay?

What, do you NEED a house to roleplay? Can't you drive without owning a car?
Money is absolutely the least interesting part of Argonath, this might be my opinion, but I know I'm not alone on that.

I only see one sad thing that has happened recently. I've seen a lot of players just.. Vanish away. I don't know the reason, and I wonder why.
I hope that Argonath RPG will stay the big second family that it's been ever since I joined here, and if it doesn't, I am 100% sure it will be again with the amazing team "we" have.
If the "veterans" leave, there will come new ones.

 -iD.

[Bundy]

People who possess more will be less happy with the reset than the ones who possess nothing/less. This discussion can go on and on but eventually it's up to Gandalf to decide whether there's going to be a reset or not. Discussing this is not even possible, I suppose.

[Armelin]

Buying a house/car is RP
Making money is RP
Having fun with your friends is RP
Spending 50k earned in fire missions with illegal races are RPing.

I seriously get pissed when I see people saying I'm ruining this damn game because I'm not a lunatic using /me for every action I'm doing.
Saying money isn't needed? Give me a break.

[Petarda]

If he removes it, then everyone who was banned should also get their unbans removed so they can earn them back.

And what's the point?

What, do you NEED a house to roleplay?

Yes


No one of you said why should there be reset.

[Teddy]

Don't you think your exaggerating a bit much?

It would be foolish to say money isn't needed, just as it would be foolish to say money is required. If money wasn't needed we wouldn't have redone the entire economy.

Money is an asset to roleplay. Roleplay is NOT dependent on money.

However, in regards to money. In RS4 the economy is... well... there is no economy. In RS5 there has been a lot of careful planning, researching, and even debates in forming a structured economy. This economy would be useless if the previous non-existent economy was merged. We're not removing money, so take a chill pill. Nobody is forcing you to hardcore RP either. The economy is an asset, just like its own assets are an asset to RP. If you read Gandalfs post about the economy you'll see all the new options of RP we have created in this economic structure.

TL:DR: old rs4 economy isn't compatible with new economy and attempt to merge the two would defeat the purpose of a more effective economic model. Also nobody is saying your ruining the game cause you don't /me, so take a chill pill.

I will now explain in comparison the two.

You all need to take a seat in a developers chair and slip your feet into our shoes. I've been working on this new economy for 10 months. It wouldn't make sense to spend 10 months developing something that would be wasted by a failed system before. The two simply are not compatible, and using RS4 would effectively render the development of a new system useless and valueless. It would be like trying to create a country with your own currency and economy while using an old countries currency. It simply wouldn't equate to something efficient.

The biggest failure of RS4 was with managers logging in doing huge events for millions, and giving away /paydays like they were a candy man at a child's birthday party. This massive inflation made money in RS4 virtually useless. It was so easy to comeby and carries essentially no value. In RS5 we've redone it so there will always be value to money, we have plans for an elaborate algorithm to measure the money of the server and support inflation and deflation of the economy. This algorithm will constantly ensure money has value in the server as well as "collect" extra funds that try to slip away.

In RS4 money is spawned in and leaves the server into a dark hole. In RS5 this isn't the case, no money is ever spawned in other than initial funds for the bank and when a player leaves. In the sense of RP the "starter" money is money a new citizen brings with them to the state. Managers can still do paydays however the money is taken from the global bank, players can also sponsor their own paydays without the requirement of manager. This will encourage players to spread the money around but this money comes from an internal source and is never spawned.

On top of this money never leaves the server. In RS4 when you buy weapons, food, clothing, vehicles, and property the money vanishes into a black hole. In RS5 when you buy something from a shop that money goes to various sources; the shop and taxes. Vehicles and properties are paid to the state, or global bank. This includes loan funds, they are paid to and from the global bank.

What does this mean? Money is something that the server is based on, its not required for RP but can be used in RP. Money is something that is valueless in RS4 but valued in RS5.

[RizzE.]

When the final product of RS5 is released, we will be able to test your economy system to the fullest. First it felt complicated, but when you think about it RS5 will atleast have a economy system. RS4 "economy system" /send /wire. The RS5 system will be superior with cards, wallets etc.

[iDavid]

Yes


No one of you said why should there be reset.

Why is a house needed to roleplay?

The reset was made because the database contained about 300,000(?) different registered accounts and that would be a total clusterfuck to blend into the new script.
As well that would give the new players of the community a fair chance not being the underdogs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I can remember.

[Pingster]

In terms of economy, it would benefit more from keeping the money, so that economy has a kick off, instead of every penny having to be delivered through scripts. If everyone starts off with 5k, there's going to be no money going into the global funds, there's going to be no additional money going in the bank for at least a couple of weeks, meaning, until then, the economy is going to be at a stalemate, and then kick off rather slowly. On top of that, rich players are going to be a healthy thing for the economy, with the sponsored payday script.

In terms of money not being necessary for roleplay and so on, I can agree with that to some extent. However, people have been building their characters up and they've evolved with the events that have happened over time. We know these characters, we know many aspects of these characters, and that's what creates the familiarity of Argonath. What I'm getting at is, we know who's rich, who's poor, who's your average Joe and so on, their characters have changed due to their wealth, and so has their roleplay.

So while money isn't necessary for your usual roleplay, the characters involved in the roleplay are going to be vastly different because of it. Reset the stats and you have an army of drones doing scripted jobs. Keep the stats and you have a wide array of people. Sure, a lot of them won't be too motivated to explore all the scripted jobs to their full extent, but that's the beauty of it. You won't have 100 people doing the same thing, you'll have the civilians to kidnap and pickpocket, you'll have the mafia outsourcing other businesses, and you'll have the rich politician trying to buy a mayorship with huge paydays.

I don't see why the world of Argonath should take a massive blow to it's environment because of difficulties with transferring the account data, the world of roleplay is far more important than "blending a clusterfuck into new scripts".

Just my 2 cents.

[battle]

Money is a mere tool to RP with you don't need it to be a good player

[Petarda]

Why is a house needed to roleplay?

Because I want to roleplay estate agent

[Teddy]

The centralized bank will start off with a realistic amount of funds to keep the economy rolling upon start-up. We cannot expect for the economy to work out while running on nothing from the beginning. That wouldn't be feasible. Players start off with $10,000 not $5,000. $5,000 is simply the max you can hold as a citizen in spare change.

Because I want to roleplay estate agent

Considering you can own unlimited properties in RS5, I think that this can be done far more possible in RS5 than RS4.

[Pingster]

The centralized bank will start off with a realistic amount of funds to keep the economy rolling upon start-up. We cannot expect for the economy to work out while running on nothing from the beginning. That wouldn't be feasible. Players start off with $10,000 not $5,000. $5,000 is simply the max you can hold as a citizen in spare change.

Rest of the point remains, though.

[Teddy]

Rest of the point remains, though.

Not really a point, its just your opinion.. which we respect your input and are taking into consideration, as we are everyone else. One thing to mention is how nonfactual your is.

If you actually read my post it has nothing to do with a "cluster fuck". If we merged the two it would be very simple, a simple script could be written to read the files and translate them into our new format. There would be no problems systematically or operationally. So no, it wouldn't be difficult to transfer the account data.

 The problem lies within purpose. If we merged the two the purpose of creating a new becomes unfulfilled. Why even create new if your going to instantly ruin the new features with the pollution of the old.

There is also more creative RP opportunity to make legitimate money here in RS5 by simply RP and not scripted jobs. That'll just need to fall into the hands of the players.

However, at the end of the day its Gandalf's server and he has been leading this community as strong as it is for years now, I would trust his judgement in continuing to lead it to bigger and better.

[Kirgiz]

And what's the point?
Yes


No one of you said why should there be reset.

So that economy would finally be fine and not overinflated as f**k? Don't act stupid because it's not the time already.