Some thing need to be done.

[Pagon]

You are talking about it being new, different, a different type.
And that iswhere I disagree.
There for I want you to state explicitly what it is that you dislke or find so changed about it.

I guess that what it boils down to is that people don't want to adapt to change, especially on such a large scale. Most people would argue that RS4.2 would have sufficed. We don't need to scrap the scripts, just save and store them, and maybe implement thing just a bit at a time?

[Mario_Alfonso]

You are talking about it being new, different, a different type.
And that iswhere I disagree.
There for I want you to state explicitly what it is that you dislke or find so changed about it.

RS4 is alot more simple, In RS5 We have the wallet systems, and the money system is extremely complex, I usually get used to things in seconds, It spent two hours working out how the money system  works and i'm still unsure on most things.

If you login to RS5 and completely forget the word "Argonath" It's basically a different server, There is nothing relating to the old script that I find stands out, We like the new features, we just prefer RS4, I mean, I understand your point of view, you've made this server and you want it to be a success, and it will be, but there's only one script like RS4 And we don't want to loose it..

Maybe you could host a vote on if the RS4 server should stay online or not, so you can see how many users feel strongly about it?

[Petarda]

If you upraged RS4, script by script players would get used to it, but you added everything at once and it's hard for most of them to get used to it.

A typical life of Argonathian was /growweed /harvestweed ; /orderheroin /collectheroin; And now that became dangerous and it's harder to get weapons, drugs, money... So they just gave up.

[Gandalf]

RS4 is alot more simple, In RS5 We have the wallet systems, and the money system is extremely complex, I usually get used to things in seconds, It spent two hours working out how the money system  works and i'm still unsure on most things.

If you login to RS5 and completely forget the word "Argonath" It's basically a different server, There is nothing relating to the old script that I find stands out, We like the new features, we just prefer RS4, I mean, I understand your point of view, you've made this server and you want it to be a success, and it will be, but there's only one script like RS4 And we don't want to loose it..

Maybe you could host a vote on if the RS4 server should stay online or not, so you can see how many users feel strongly about it?

The money system was bugged which is why it was complicated.
for players who do not wish to have more than one bank account or wallet they just set the wallet active and work with cash and bank as they used to. However during test this was bugged which made it more complicated.

As for voting on RS4 server, if people are playing then we will see. With the current player count there is no reason to keep it together with the new one.

[Gandalf]

If you upraged RS4, script by script players would get used to it, but you added everything at once and it's hard for most of them to get used to it.

A typical life of Argonathian was /growweed /harvestweed ; /orderheroin /collectheroin; And now that became dangerous and it's harder to get weapons, drugs, money... So they just gave up.

6 years ago Argonath was one of the hardest servers to play. That made people want to follow the rules and not miss any time.
RS4 was lagging behind on many things, this also caused problems for players. It needed to be restructured. Now I agree that it should have been introduced a lot faster. But that has had its reasons.

If it is harder to get something, it is valued more. That is also why the veterans do not like a reset, as they have had to work very hard for their assets.

[Pingster]

This reminds me of people moaning about every single youtube change and then stopping 2 weeks later and everything going back to normal. Alternatively, it reminds me of people getting banned and yelling "Fuck you all, never coming back" and then posting an unban request 2 months later.

As only thing from RS5 I've experienced is a bugged beta version, I'd rather play it a bit before moaning. Yeah, economy is complicated as fuck when you take one glance at it, and honestly, I still think it's going to be difficult explaining to new players about it, but it's nothing you can't handle when you take some time figuring it out. I disagree with the change from freecops to SAPD, though I know it's all for the equality. I still haven't had an answer whether or not regular SAPD officers (who only passed the scripted training) will have to follow current SAPD's procedures, or will it be like it has been now, where they only have to follow server rules and very few ARPD rules (no patrolling in an unmarked car). And I highly dislike the mechanic job being tied in with removal of PNS - first of all, there's just too much ramming going on (and I imagine people will go mad at whoever rams them, since they have to pay for it), and second, the more remote PNSes are most likely going to be unmanned, so have fun trying not to blow up at Bone County, because the closest PNS is probably going to be at Temple.

[Ted]

This reminds me of people moaning about every single youtube change and then stopping 2 weeks later and everything going back to normal. Alternatively, it reminds me of people getting banned and yelling "f**k you all, never coming back" and then posting an unban request 2 months later.

This is exactly what will happen.

[Plam_Knight]

This reminds me of people moaning about every single youtube change and then stopping 2 weeks later and everything going back to normal. Alternatively, it reminds me of people getting banned and yelling "f**k you all, never coming back" and then posting an unban request 2 months later.

As only thing from RS5 I've experienced is a bugged beta version, I'd rather play it a bit before moaning. Yeah, economy is complicated as f**k when you take one glance at it, and honestly, I still think it's going to be difficult explaining to new players about it, but it's nothing you can't handle when you take some time figuring it out. I disagree with the change from freecops to SAPD, though I know it's all for the equality. I still haven't had an answer whether or not regular SAPD officers (who only passed the scripted training) will have to follow current SAPD's procedures, or will it be like it has been now, where they only have to follow server rules and very few ARPD rules (no patrolling in an unmarked car). And I highly dislike the mechanic job being tied in with removal of PNS - first of all, there's just too much ramming going on (and I imagine people will go mad at whoever rams them, since they have to pay for it), and second, the more remote PNSes are most likely going to be unmanned, so have fun trying not to blow up at Bone County, because the closest PNS is probably going to be at Temple.

On the SAPD note - They will have to follow only the current ARPD Regulation which are given out by the ARPD Commissioner for the time being.

[Antonio.]

That is a lie. It has always been supported.What you state is incorrect. I suggest you to keep reading the 'life in RS5 series' and you will find out for yourself. First of all the last reset was in 2007, so we do not resetevery two years.
That some people who come in just once a month to see their name on a property will not play will not influence anything except the availability, and in return the active players and groups will be able to hold things more easily. However that is not the main reason for a reset.
The main reason is that not having a reset is all or nothing. That means we have to import all 150k accounts including those made for ban evading and multi accounting. As the account structure is very different that would be a hell of a job and mean we would have to close the server for a couple of weeks. Because while you play the data is updated so bringing it over can only be done when the server is down.

Most of the stuff has already been answered in your previous posts, so I won't continue to argue for no reason.

However, when it comes to giving back everything to the players who actually still play and are active, and not have to keep banned accounts and ban evading ones, why not just have a system where players who are eligible (meaning active enough) provide evidence of their latest assets just a bit before RS5 will be released? This means the assets would need to be set manually by managers; I don't think this would take THAT long.

[Mario_Alfonso]

Gandalf, RS4 won't go up whilst people know it's closing, If you allow it to stay, It will almost 100% grow considering most people will come back and new players will join. New players leave because veterans are inactive.

I love the RS4 Script..

[Vitoo]

I completely agree with Mario; I don't know why but it seems like Argonath lost its 'spirit' with RS5. I know the scripters spent a lot of time scripting it and put a lot of effort into it and I appreciate their work but I believe RS5 isn't going to work out because most of the veteran and regular players will most likely leave or barely play on RS5, making the server lose its interest, making newcomers leave because the server would look pretty empty; to be honest, it would be a chain reaction and SA:MP would most likely fall apart. That is only my point of view though.

I love the RS4 Script..

RS4 has something gentle about it RS5 lacks of, I can't say what it is though, I just feel that way...

[Cyril]

If SA:MP RS5 needs to start with a new player base and only few players at the beginning, then we will do it, no problem.
We are not afraid of new challenge. It will actually be very interesting to meet new people.

[Antonio.]

If SA:MP RS5 needs to start with a new player base and only few players at the beginning, then we will do it, no problem.
We are not afraid of new challenge. It will actually be very interesting to meet new people.

I doubt that the outcome of that will be pleasing.

[Cyril]

I doubt that the outcome of that will be pleasing.

Explain

[Mircea_Niko]

   People need to understand that a human in general should not limit only to a thing, but to expand his vision. It is player's choice where, when and how to play in this Community.
 
   Yes, Argo MTA, both VC and SA and Argo IV:MP are not more populated, because they have been recently released and the players want to get along with them. SA:MP has been ruling the gaming in all categories for a long time. Nothing lasts to infinite, remember that.
   
   Aswell, take in consideration the fact that most of the players has started the school, university etc. and this player count may be considered generous enough for this time of the year. You will see by time that in holidays the number of players is always above 100, no matter the time of the day.

   The rest has been explained in the upper posts.