Some thing need to be done.

[Mikal]

I guess that what it boils down to is that people don't want to adapt to change, especially on such a large scale. Most people would argue that RS4.2 would have sufficed. We don't need to scrap the scripts, just save and store them, and maybe implement thing just a bit at a time?

I'm confused, as much as I think keeping and upgrading RS4 would have been best, everyone wanted and constantly talked about RS5 for the past few years(?) and now that it's here everyone wants to keep RS4, I've always said RS5 'was a lie' so I'm pretty much neutral, though my opinion would have been to keep RS4 and upgrade/change it over time.

If SA:MP RS5 needs to start with a new player base and only few players at the beginning, then we will do it, no problem.
We are not afraid of new challenge. It will actually be very interesting to meet new people.

So what you're saying is, all the veteran players can just leave and it won't matter because you'll just continue on with new players? Who would set an example then? Oh wait I've misinterpreted myself here, nobody roleplays anyway, and there is nobody to set an example.

I guess the answer is: keep RS4 and all assets and find some players or a way to actually create more roleplay, make a new server for RS5 or forget about it.

   People need to understand that a human in general should not limit only to a thing, but to expand his vision. It is player's choice where, when and how to play in this Community.
 
   Yes, Argo MTA, both VC and SA and Argo IV:MP are not more populated, because they have been recently released and the players want to get along with them. SA:MP has been ruling the gaming in all categories for a long time. Nothing lasts to infinite, remember that.
   
   Aswell, take in consideration the fact that most of the players has started the school, university etc. and this player count may be considered generous enough for this time of the year. You will see by time that in holidays the number of players is always above 100, no matter the time of the day.

   The rest has been explained in the upper posts.

Whats with the lame font?

[Mario_Alfonso]

In my honest view, This is all a little selfish, i dislike the way you just said "We'll do it, No problem" You basically just said you didn't give a crap about the old community members.

It's obvious many people want RS4 to stay completely, and if you ignore that then it's kinda like saying "We don't care as long as RS5 get's big"...

We've already said, we love what you did with RS5, Keep it if you wish, All we want is for RS4 To stay permanently.

[Def Perry]

It'll take some time but people will return I suppose. Some veterans get older and don't have that much free time anymore. Some left after GTA V. Some went to another server after RS5. Wait for the Christmas holidays, this is a long-term problem.

[Antonio.]

Explain

We both now how the average new player acts and how long it takes for him/her to adapt themselves not to mention even stick to the server. How many from the news players actually act normal after a short period of time? I know it's not a lot.

I think we all know that the server won't be the same, nor have the same quality if the veterans were out.

[Gandalf]

Most of the stuff has already been answered in your previous posts, so I won't continue to argue for no reason.

However, when it comes to giving back everything to the players who actually still play and are active, and not have to keep banned accounts and ban evading ones, why not just have a system where players who are eligible (meaning active enough) provide evidence of their latest assets just a bit before RS5 will be released? This means the assets would need to be set manually by managers; I don't think this would take THAT long.

There is an old topic named national heritage list. Ever tought of what use it could be?
You are just moaning for nothing, as any argument you bring forward has been thought about.

[Cyril]

So what you're saying is, all the veteran players can just leave and it won't matter because you'll just continue on with new players? Who would set an example then? Oh wait I've misinterpreted myself here, nobody roleplays anyway, and there is nobody to set an example.

In my honest view, This is all a little selfish, i dislike the way you just said "We'll do it, No problem" You basically just said you didn't give a crap about the old community members.

It's obvious many people want RS4 to stay completely, and if you ignore that then it's kinda like saying "We don't care as long as RS5 get's big"...

We've already said, we love what you did with RS5, Keep it if you wish, All we want is for RS4 To stay permanently.

Well, you all go "We are going to leave, we don't like reset, we worked hard". And we tell you then to go ahead, you are going "oh you don't care about us".
Wait a minute, weren't you the one who wanted to leave in case there is a reset? What you want us to do? To get on our knees, crying and praying you to stay for RS5?

[Vitoo]

What you want us to do? To get on our knees, crying and praying you to stay for RS5?

No; we would like you to leave RS4 server open when RS5 comes out.

[Antonio.]

There is an old topic named national heritage list. Ever tought of what use it could be?
You are just moaning for nothing, as any argument you bring forward has been thought about.

National heritage list which just gives more time to earn money for our properties? Yeah, again, everything being taken away. Let's not mention the fact that not every property that a group owns might even be accepted as national heritage.

You can keep saying "I'm moaning", but let me just tell you that I spoke with a lot of veterans personally, and they're also "just moaning". You wonder why the player base is slowly shrinking even before a date for RS5 has been announced.

[Cyril]

No; we would like you to leave RS4 server open when RS5 comes out.

Did RS2 server stay opened when RS3 came out?
Did RS3 server stay opened when RS4 came out?

Why should it be different now?

[Marcel]

National heritage list which just gives more time to earn money for our properties? Yeah, again, everything being taken away. Let's not mention the fact that not every property that a group owns might even be accepted as national heritage.

You can keep saying "I'm moaning", but let me just tell you that I spoke with a lot of veterans personally, and they're also "just moaning". You wonder why the player base is slowly shrinking even before a date for RS5 has been announced.

You sir, need to stop moaning and get a cup 'o tea.

[Vitoo]

Did RS2 server stay opened when RS3 came out?
Did RS3 server stay opened when RS4 came out?

Why should it be different now?

Because RS5 is completely different from RS4; it doesn't feel like you're playing on Argonath, to be perfectly honest with you.

You sir, need to stop moaning and get a cup 'o tea.

At least try to say something useful when replying.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, RS4 won't go up whilst people know it's closing, If you allow it to stay, It will almost 100% grow considering most people will come back and new players will join. New players leave because veterans are inactive.

I love the RS4 Script..

The players who are inactive might miss out on things like the change to reclaim their property of becming/ staying as official family.
New players will have no idea who veterans are and why they are so grumpy.

[Gandalf]

I completely agree with Mario; I don't know why but it seems like Argonath lost its 'spirit' with RS5. I know the scripters spent a lot of time scripting it and put a lot of effort into it and I appreciate their work but I believe RS5 isn't going to work out because most of the veteran and regular players will most likely leave or barely play on RS5, making the server lose its interest, making newcomers leave because the server would look pretty empty; to be honest, it would be a chain reaction and SA:MP would most likely fall apart. That is only my point of view though.
RS4 has something gentle about it RS5 lacks of, I can't say what it is though, I just feel that way...

RS5 has not even started yet, no reason to moan about it.
Most of the moaning people already are banned or never play, what is the difference?

[Vitoo]

RS5 has not even started yet, no reason to moan about it.
Most of the moaning people already are banned or never play, what is the difference?

Most of those who are inactive is because they know they're working for nothing because soon RS5 will be launched and they'll everything anyway.
I've only seen two banned players 'moaning' about it; me and Mikal.

[Gandalf]

I'm confused

No you are trolling. Keep up the posting and you will be permanently banned.