Some thing need to be done.

[Gandalf]

We both now how the average new player acts and how long it takes for him/her to adapt themselves not to mention even stick to the server. How many from the news players actually act normal after a short period of time? I know it's not a lot.

I think we all know that the server won't be the same, nor have the same quality if the veterans were out.

Yeah the veterans that:
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse

Will be sorely missed

[Bundy]

Yeah the veterans that:
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse

Will be sorely missed

You hardly named 1% of the veterans, what about the other 99 who will leave?

[Gandalf]

National heritage list which just gives more time to earn money for our properties? Yeah, again, everything being taken away. Let's not mention the fact that not every property that a group owns might even be accepted as national heritage.

You can keep saying "I'm moaning", but let me just tell you that I spoke with a lot of veterans personally, and they're also "just moaning". You wonder why the player base is slowly shrinking even before a date for RS5 has been announced.

So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.

[Gandalf]

You hardly named 99% of the veterans, what about the other 1 who will leave?

fixed

[Vitoo]

So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.

Gandalf, people are not shitting on the server or RS5 - at least I am not; people or at least I and Mario Alfonso are merely saying that we would prefer if RS4 would stay up when RS5 comes out.

[Gandalf]

Because RS5 is completely different from RS4; it doesn't feel like you're playing on Argonath, to be perfectly honest with you.
At least try to say something useful when replying.

RS2 was very different from RS1,
RS3 was very different from RS2
RS4 was not different,as it only changed the way of scripting.

[murdoxix]

You basically just said you didn't give a crap about the old community members.

I also felt that, and it's sad.

Anyway I know the developers did a very good job with RS5 and they are going to do of Argonath SA:MP server what it was some time ago.

To the ones saying 'RS5 isn't Argonath anymore, it doesn't looks like RS4 at all'... Since when Argonath it's a script? Come on guys...!

[Mario_Alfonso]

Well, you all go "We are going to leave, we don't like reset, we worked hard". And we tell you then to go ahead, you are going "oh you don't care about us".
Wait a minute, weren't you the one who wanted to leave in case there is a reset? What you want us to do? To get on our knees, crying and praying you to stay for RS5?

I haven't complained about anything, unless you meant Mikal.

I see no reason why you can't keep RS4? We obviously feel strongly about it, What's the problem...?

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, people are not shitting on the server or RS5 - at least I am not; people or at least I and Mario Alfonso are merely saying that we would prefer if RS4 would stay up when RS5 comes out.

There is no use to keep RS4 up when RS5 is completed. And if we do, we will reset all accounts and properties so players wil anyway have to start from zero.

[Vitoo]

RS3 was very different from RS2
RS4 was not different,as it only changed the way of scripting.

Maybe that's why people liked RS3 as well as they like RS4 - because from what I understand from what you said they were alike.

[Vitoo]

There is no use to keep RS4 up when RS5 is completed. And if we do, we will reset all accounts and properties so players wil anyway have to start from zero.

If I wasn't banned for so long, I'd be totally up for it, to be honest.

[Gandalf]

It is not that we do not care about old players. In fact many wishes of those old players were taken to make RS5, which makes it ironic that exactly those who were asking for things to change are now fighting to keep it the same.

[Zaila]

Maybe that's why people liked RS3 as well as they like RS4 - because from what I understand from what you said they were alike.

Players was going about it just like you are now but after a couple of days, it stopped. I wonder why?

If I wasn't banned for so long, I'd be totally up for it, to be honest.

LOL....

It is not that we do not care about old players. In fact many wishes of those old players were taken to make RS5, which makes it ironic that exactly those who were asking for things to change are now fighting to keep it the same.

Word.

[Ragdoll]

So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.

How is that shitting?

[Gandalf]

Maybe that's why people liked RS3 as well as they like RS4 - because from what I understand from what you said they were alike.

There were two differences between RS3 and RS4. One it was a giant bugfix. Second it marked the transfer from scripts mainly written by me to scritpers trained by me, CBFASI, Gimli and David_Omid.