Some thing need to be done.

[AndrewS]

I believe you like a glass of cold beer better than an empty glass. But wait until it gets filled up, mate.

wise saying 

[Gandalf]

Is this decreased activity of players expected by the staff?

Actually yes it is. It is the result of me not being able to bring out the RS5 series before the beta opened, meaning players have made their own thoughts and illusions.
As usual many players do not have the avility to think on their own and there for follow as sheep. Becuase they might have to start all over again, they actually start all over again somewhere else.

Good thing is that MTA:SA has increased in player count and IV:MP now has a waiting time to join.
So we are not unhappy as it opens other opportunities.

[Chester11]

Adressing Mario and Vitoo. How on earth can you like RS4 that much to consider it perfect? I am just sick of it, a big chaotic server which is not organised at all.I am not generalising everything what I am saying but these things must come to an end, and I hope RS5 will clear all this mess up.
 You can do only 5 scripted jobs from which:

1.Fireman. The money maker. Nobody cares to do a bit of RP on it, just go extinguish the fire for 7 minutes to get 7,5k and kill other firemans who are stealing fire from you. Seriously, fire missions gave me the worst nerves on RS5 from missions.

2.Police officer. Abuse/trolling material for some players, not generalising tho' I just love how SAPD is organised on RS4.

3.Medic.Very low ussage, most people prefer to go to bar and buy milk, I've seen very few people doing it for fun. One is Marius_Laru, very open to medic RP's, and he has my full apreciation.

4.Hooker. Very low ussage as well, not organised at all.Nobody has time to do such RP because they have to make greens.

5.Taxi driver. Very low ussage due to the huge ammount of state cars. Taximetrists are not encouraged to do their work because, there are some players that after they do /taxi continue to search for a state car, and in the end they find one, and the whole road made by the taximetrist is useless.

Most players do /growweed /harvestweed , /orderheroin /collectheroin all day, and after they make 200k they go to casino and lose them all and start over again, or buy an Infernus and a cozy house, gets into a random mafia and do things related to Paruni. There are hundreds of worthless mafias that consist on having combat on you and if somebody hits your car, BANG you kill them.

Nothing interractive from the scripts, events have become a rarity( not to mention that if there aren't any prizes at the event there are no any participants present), the ammount of mods/admins have been raised a lot of times because they cannot hold the ammount of rulebreaking in this server. The newbie skin deceived my whole view on that nice skin, it made me consider it a newbie skin ffs!
And seriously, you like waiting even 2 weeks without Argonath because of the ammount of hackers attacking the server because it doesn't have a proper security? I hope RS5 will be more secure than RS4.

I don't get what you like about RS4. The dance of the guy on the login? The way in which you can use TAB to not die after falling from somewhere? Or what, I just don't understand. You like it because is user friendly, it's user friendly for kids with ages that vary from 5-10 years.
In some way, you make me think that you're just mad because you're losing your assets and now you find different reasons to hide it.Seriously!

RS5 from what I've seen is not that complicated at all, maybe more interactive and more organised.I want to see the final result from it, from the beta stage of what i've saw I consider MTA better, but it's a temporary view.

Also, "veterans" on this server are only because of the time spent on the server. But usually, a veteran is close and loyal to the server, is a true argonathian, who doesn't care about the assets and it's gladly open to new, to improvement of the thing they love the most: THE COMMUNITY.
So yeah, the ones who are mad that they lose their assets, ARGONATH is not a place in which you spend time on making your business plans and making money, ARGONATH means FUN/FRIENDSHIP AND HELPING NATURE.
Those who don't like improvement are free to leave, but in the end I bet they will return.

[Pingster]

Holy shit, 10 people are telling us they don't want RS5, Teddy, please, ctrl+a, delete, I mean, 10 people!



Seriously though, it was clear from the beginning of the beta that it was closer to Alpha than it was to Beta, so making any judgements based off of that is silly beans. Besides that, everyone is afraid of change and hates it, expect moaning for 2 weeks and then it'll be all good. After talking with some devs and admins n shit, and having certain things explained, I ran out of things that are a deal breaker as far as RS5 goes. If anything, looking forward to people driving around in proper cars, instead of Infernuses.

[Spike.]

Gandalf, I think is better just publish the RS5 server when it is almost finish

[murdoxix]

Gandalf, I think is better just publish the RS5 server when it is almost finish

Nope, a Beta stage it's always great, since 50 players will find more bugs than 5 developers (it's just an example)...

And Teddy, about saying what's wrong of RS5, would be very useful to have the Beta back so we can test it and say you what improvements RS5 needs.

[Vitoo]

Adressing Mario and Vitoo. How on earth can you like RS4 that much to consider it perfect? I am just sick of it, a big chaotic server which is not organised at all.I am not generalising everything what I am saying but these things must come to an end, and I hope RS5 will clear all this mess up.

That's your opinion, not mine.

[Gandalf]

Gandalf, I think is better just publish the RS5 server when it is almost finish

Beta testers test the scripts on ow they are supposed to be used. Many players try to circumvent them so we can see possible exploits.
Players who try to exploit the script are valuable as they show us what is wrong with other servers. Most do not learn their tricks here

[Axison]

Removed
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[Zaila]

I was expecting some reactions on what i wrote before?

[Pandalink]

I almost feel like I've seen this thread before..

Look, RS5 is happening - and it's going to replace the RS4 server. That's just a fact. That has been a fact for as long as RS5 was in development.
RS5 is shaping up to be pretty good. It's absolutely nowhere near completion yet, the public test server is barely an alpha. But when it's done it should have potential. Personally, I still think it's a seriously ballsy move to risk a new script release this late in the game's life cycle, but that's just me.

Also Gandalf, you seriously almost sound like you hate your community with some of your posts here. I know you have to act as a strong authority, but there's no need to outright insult the people who play on your servers. It's really unpleasant to read something like that, especially from you.

[Ragdoll]

Also Gandalf, you seriously almost sound like you hate your community with some of your posts here. I know you have to act as a strong authority, but there's no need to outright insult the people who play on your servers. It's really unpleasant to read something like that, especially from you.

Exactly. And as weak as I feel defending Mikal, I felt his ban was unjustified.

[Gandalf]

Also Gandalf, you seriously almost sound like you hate your community with some of your posts here. I know you have to act as a strong authority, but there's no need to outright insult the people who play on your servers. It's really unpleasant to read something like that, especially from you.

Everyone is welcome, but those who are not playing at all or only come in when in the mood to disturb things are not going to get a lot of support.
While I prefer to keep a more gentle profile, when dealing with it alone I tend to show that I am not as different from my brother as it may seem.
If people can not take others being direct, that is their problem.

I will still try to sugar coat my comments, but do not expect the full diplomacy that I use when Aragorn is around to deliver the harshness.

[Ragdoll]

I will still try to sugar coat my comments, but do not expect the full diplomacy that I use when Aragorn is around to deliver the harshness.

So, good cop/bad cop?

[Ted]

Actually yes it is. It is the result of me not being able to bring out the RS5 series before the beta opened, meaning players have made their own thoughts and illusions.
As usual many players do not have the avility to think on their own and there for follow as sheep. Becuase they might have to start all over again, they actually start all over again somewhere else.

Good thing is that MTA:SA has increased in player count and IV:MP now has a waiting time to join.
So we are not unhappy as it opens other opportunities.

That's because brain cells are clearly lacking in some to even think of that.

Anyway if it comes to it it's worth losing many bad apples and keeping the good. Just don't move to MTA:SA or IV:MP etc and be shits there.

With the points Chester is making he is right in the current scripts it's all about money and how easy it is to make it. Obviously it shouldn't be too hard but at the same time not too easy as you should still work for it.
Regarding security I believe you are referring to outside attacks which RS5 won't protect against, that's something that has been sorted server side. However for admin sake I hope there will be some more things in place to help admins and when there may be lack of admins(Rare nowadays)