Some thing need to be done.

[Antonio.]

Yeah the veterans that:
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse

Will be sorely missed

I'm not surprised that after years of playing you still don't give at least a little bit of credit to the veterans who kept your server alive and managed to maintain at least some quality in it.

So you are shitting about the server behind our backs? That can mean a community ban.

Nope. The fact that you're getting negative feedback doesn't make anyone a moaner. I have kept a close contact with several group leaders, and most of them actually approached with their opinion on RS5 and how it will effect criminal groups.

[Stivi]

I was expecting some reactions on what i wrote before?

Couldn't post this yesterday. I like what you said about /p and /city, but... They are expecting you to say, accounts will not be reset!

[Devin]

I was hoping by now people would have read all of the reasons as to why keeping everything as is would be pointless but it seems some information gets the blind eye whilst everyone complains about losing some digital items on a game.

[TheGreasyChopper]

  People people people, for Sauron's sake. Could you please stop saying "Argonath will bla-bla-bla" "Argonath isn't the same" "Argonath was better in RS4" etc...Argonath is not entirely SA:MP and you should know that.
 As for my personal input on this whole RS5 fiasco. I tried the beta server for...One or two hours. I disliked it. It was just an all too sudden change. It just didn't feel the spirit of Argonath's SA:MP in my eyes. This whole wallet system for example. What happened to Argonath's vision about keeping things simple? I haven't seen such things in the so called srs-RP severs, let alone expected it to show up here.
 Yes, I realize I do not really have the right to criticize RS5, as I haven't really fully checked out the beta, but I just couldn't. What bothers me tough is the state of denial the people behind RS5 are in. Gandalf, Zaila, and others...What is so hard to understand that the majority of people disliked the beta of RS5? Instead of talking about how they shouldn't moan and showing the more than familiar to us "Like it or GTFO" attitude, why don't you just listen to what the players have to say?
 A reset would be useful, but it just shows how badly the Veterans are looked upon.

Yeah the veterans that:
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse

Will be sorely missed

-Vets don't allow new players to join their Roleplay? Hmmph, maybe you have been playing another server, but only 2 of 10 new players look for Roleplay.
-Not all new players are abusers and DMers. I've seen people who Roleplay better than half the server, but only joined a week or so ago.
-The abilities of new players...Yeah, I understand, they need to be given rights and abilities so they stay on the server...But what about the abilities of Old Players and Veterans? Oh wait...No such thing here.
-Why did you allow such players to become Veterans? I think the ban function works fine in cases such as this.
-^Same as above.

 People complain and always will, as Argonath's severs will never be perfect, because there is no such thing as a perfect server. RS4 had(and still has) major weaknesses, but it also has it's strengths. RS3 had no Motorcycles, but it had a decent vehicle system. I can't talk about RS2 and RS1 as I wasn't in Argonath back then, but I'm sure they had their pluses and minuses...

[Gandalf]

I'm not surprised that after years of playing you still don't give at least a little bit of credit to the veterans who kept your server alive and managed to maintain at least some quality in it.
Nope. The fact that you're getting negative feedback doesn't make anyone a moaner. I have kept a close contact with several group leaders, and most of them actually approached with their opinion on RS5 and how it will effect criminal groups.

The thing is that we have given a platform for group leaders to give their input. Nobody even posts there.
We have looked at the ideas and implemented a number of them. And get negative opinions.

There are a large number of veterans that will get credit, but most of the people appearing here are not them. The most who are appearing here are just butthurt their assets might be gone and as a result spread their shit everywhere.

I have asked in this topic multiple times what to change, and all I get back is that RS5 is fine but people still do not want it. Well it seems that people also do not want RS4, else they would still be on it.

if all you can do is shout and kick, I can not respect you.
Those veterans who actually try to give positive feedback in order to improve are respected, those who are just around to stir up things are better off elsewhere.

[Lustigkurre]

Yeah the veterans that:
- do not wllow new players to join their RP
- consider all new players as abusers and DMers
- make condescending posts about the abilities of new players (see above)
- hunt down, scam and kill new players
- come on server to cophunt and glitch abuse

Will be sorely missed

What do you know about what happens ingame other than reading some unbantopics once in a while? It's the same veterans that sometimes gets a ban that helps the server to stay alive by entice people to come ingame and also often do good things. But I guess you can't see that if you're not ingame.

[Gandalf]

  People people people, for Sauron's sake. Could you please stop saying "Argonath will bla-bla-bla" "Argonath isn't the same" "Argonath was better in RS4" etc...Argonath is not entirely SA:MP and you should know that.
 As for my personal input on this whole RS5 fiasco. I tried the beta server for...One or two hours. I disliked it. It was just an all too sudden change. It just didn't feel the spirit of Argonath's SA:MP in my eyes. This whole wallet system for example. What happened to Argonath's vision about keeping things simple? I haven't seen such things in the so called srs-RP severs, let alone expected it to show up here.
 Yes, I realize I do not really have the right to criticize RS5, as I haven't really fully checked out the beta, but I just couldn't. What bothers me tough is the state of denial the people behind RS5 are in. Gandalf, Zaila, and others...What is so hard to understand that the majority of people disliked the beta of RS5? Instead of talking about how they shouldn't moan and showing the more than familiar to us "Like it or GTFO" attitude, why don't you just listen to what the players have to say?
 A reset would be useful, but it just shows how badly the Veterans are looked upon.

We are not in denial at all, but people are pointing at things that were bugged and not working asthey should. That has been repeated many times, however it seems that nobody listens.

The problem is that the most vocal people are either banned or hugely inactive. You also fall in that area. Now with all respect for the time you have given in the past, what we want to listen to is players who wish to be active today.
We are aware that on RS4 veterans get bored, and there for will spend less time. This is one of the reasons that RS5 holds some more advanced things for veterans.
We understand that those veterans who are already bored and going in game just one or two hours per week might not be willing or able to put the time and effort back in that they did the first time.
That is not disrespect, it is a fact of life that people grow up and move on. However as money has never been a goal in Argonath, they can just spend their time in RS5 as they did in RS4 and be recognized as the RP veteran they are.
However if they want to be the rich and high-profile group owner they should either put in effort or organize their group to do it for them.

[Gandalf]

What do you know about what happens ingame other than reading some unbantopics once in a while? It's the same veterans that sometimes gets a ban that helps the server to stay alive by entice people to come ingame and also often do good things. But I guess you can't see that if you're not ingame.

Enough to know that you only come in to fly around, cophunt or glitch abuse. That is if I look at it from the negative side.

From the positive side, you often show people amazing skills of using aircraft, can show them interesting scenarios and make people smile by using your advanced knowledge of SA:MP.

You can choose how you want to be remembered. I hope the positive side will prevail.

[Antonio.]

I have asked in this topic multiple times what to change, and all I get back is that RS5 is fine but people still do not want it. Well it seems that people also do not want RS4, else they would still be on it.

I don't see a point in putting a lot of effort now if it's going to be taken away in the near future.

While I don't find some things necessary on rs5, the reset is the same main reason I oppose it; I'm not denying that.

[Gandalf]

I don't see a point in putting a lot of effort now if it's going to be taken away in the near future.

While I don't find some things necessary on rs5, the reset is the same main reason I oppose it; I'm not denying that.

The point is that by being inactive you may miss out on more than you can imagine. For instance if your family is not active, they will not be among the official families that will obtain a free HQ.
We will support those who support us.

[Lustigkurre]

Enough to know that you only come in to fly around, cophunt or glitch abuse. That is if I look at it from the negative side.

From the positive side, you often show people amazing skills of using aircraft, can show them interesting scenarios and make people smile by using your advanced knowledge of SA:MP.

You can choose how you want to be remembered. I hope the positive side will prevail.

Yes it's true that I come ingame to fly, and also communicate and do small rps on streetlevel.
About you saying that copbait and glitchabusing are part of reason why I come ingame, I gotta say that you're wrong. I've been banned for glitchabusing maybe 2-3 times during my 7 years on the server. A little perspective would be nice.
These veterans, as I count myself in, are important to the server. Not only the few "clean" veterans (mostly cops?).

[Gandalf]

Yes it's true that I come ingame to fly, and also communicate and do small rps on streetlevel.
About you saying that copbait and glitchabusing are part of reason why I come ingame, I gotta say that you're wrong. I've been banned for glitchabusing maybe 2-3 times during my 7 years on the server. A little perspective would be nice.
These veterans, as I count myself in, are important to the server. Not only the few "clean" veterans (mostly cops?).

The number of time you have been banned does not represent the number of times you have engaged in something.
Because of your mostly positive attitude you get a lot of credit and will usually just get a verbal warning you are on the limit. Which I fully support because while it does not cause harm to others I have no problem with your antics.

What I would like to ask you is would you not find it more interesting if veterans would still be able to have goals and challenges instead of being left to their own creativity?

[Lustigkurre]

What I would like to ask you is would you not find it more interesting if veterans would still be able to have goals and challenges instead of being left to their own creativity?

Yes, RS5 is needed. Im not against it.

What's the plan? How will you get more players to play the beta so that it can be released soon?

[Antonio.]

The point is that by being inactive you may miss out on more than you can imagine. For instance if your family is not active, they will not be among the official families that will obtain a free HQ.
We will support those who support us.

Gvardia, for example, has shown good activity and myself, as an individual has been more than active. Most of us are just not going to spend more time than usual for now until RS5 is released; that's when most of us are going to make a decision on what we're going to do.

[Gandalf]

Yes, RS5 is needed. Im not against it.

What's the plan? How will you get more players to play the beta so that it can be released soon?

The plan is first to fix the bugs that were reported and make some changes so that everything is working as planned.
After that we are going to give the admin team a proper walkthrough and instruction so they know how things work and are able to help people.
When that is done, a new public beta will be held, and only when we are satisfied we will start the transition.
While some unexpected fixes have been needed in the past, we have never rolled out a script that was not fully ready, and we are not going to it this time.