Some thing need to be done.

[IMVINCIBILUL]

How should I collect evidence.
That's the truth and please shut your mouth because truth hurts.

[Axison]

I have been constantly asking if RS4 Can stay online, or atleast if someone else can open it so we can enjoy it

RS4 is up till the scripters finish RS5 and bring it to a final release.

Now from what i see in most of the post is that you guys dont give a shit about  how much effort the development team put into building RS5. When RS4 relased, were you already used to it? Did you already know all the new commands?, I guess not. You guys didnt even see RS5 completely and already are disliking it. Rs5 beta was released just so you can test it and find bugs and report it so that the work of scripters could somewhat be less.

What you guys are saying doesnt make any sense.

This Board was created for you guys to give ideas and help the scripters to build up a script.You guys gave ideas saying that this would improve Roleplay and bla bla bla but after your idea is implemented you're saying that its bad or it doesn't suit argonath and ruins the "Atmosphere" of it?, oh comon give me a f***ing break. I am soooooooo sure about why you guys still want to keep RS4, its just because of your Assets!, just a reminder that you come here for entertainment not for making money in game. If you really do want RS4 to be kept, than why were you guys so eager to see RS5?, just so you could see how it looks and if you dont like it you just straight up say "I dont like it throw it away and lets keep the same thing we have" or "Keep RS4.1 and make RS4.2 and with just copy pasting RS4.1 and renaming it to RS4.2". Be thankful to what you get, scripters work there asses off to get RS5 done.

[Ted]

Time and money as in money to keep a server hosted. Hosting isn't free and neither is time to maintain servers.

Devin understood what I was getting at. Like he said hosting isn't free it costs real hard earned money as well as the amounts that come in through the odd donation. Who's going to maintain the server script and admin wise? You cannot say hire more admins and scripters because really it doesn't work like that.

[Pagon]

I have a neutral stance on this matter.

I think that the reason people might dislike RS5 are features like, forced jurisdictions as a cop, no Pay n SPray, city chat, complex money systems, no ARPD and so on. Things that limit your freedom. People want to play casually in a non-serious RP server, but now they are forced to change. This is just my theory though.

Would it be possible to release RS5, but only implement a few updates at a time? For example, keep the old money system, but after like a month or two, release the new money system, once people have gotten used to the old one? This would make the argument of "hardness of getting used to" nil, anc you wouldn't have to scrap the script.

[Axison]

How should I collect evidence.
That's the truth and please shut your mouth because truth hurts.

Truth hurts, Now let me tell you a truth.

Your just fucking pissed because you were banned, now listen, If you have this much anger on getting banned, first of all, you shouldn't have done anything that would get you banned,  secondly, if you have this much shitty attitude, i'm afraid to tell you that you are not at ALL welcome here in this community with this kind of attitude, You are welcome to leave.

[Zaila]

Very well said.When a SAPD Officer+ has an aimbot(Much exemplars in Argonath) or any type of etc etc - when I report him,in the next second I recive an PM from an Administrator which he's also cop - "He has no aimbot,he's clean" - That's pure bullshit. Dat defend.


Nothing is right here.

p.s. don't ask me for exemples for that 'players' because I won't give any.

You got 2 hours to send me any evidence for these claims or actions will be taken against you.

[Gandalf]

How should I collect evidence.
That's the truth and please shut your mouth because truth hurts.

So what you say is the truth and you do not need evidence? You sound like a Bible thumper...
And do what Zaila said, show evidenc or your unban will be a very long time away.

[Gandalf]

I have a neutral stance on this matter.

I think that the reason people might dislike RS5 are features like, forced jurisdictions as a cop, no Pay n SPray, city chat, complex money systems, no ARPD and so on. Things that limit your freedom. People want to play casually in a non-serious RP server, but now they are forced to change. This is just my theory though.

Would it be possible to release RS5, but only implement a few updates at a time? For example, keep the old money system, but after like a month or two, release the new money system, once people have gotten used to the old one? This would make the argument of "hardness of getting used to" nil, anc you wouldn't have to scrap the script.

forced jurisdictions : they are suspect only to encourage people to stay in their assigned area.  Assignment is calculated so there will not be areas with only cops and no players.
No Pay'nSpray: will be solved. This was not intended.
City chat: we are working on that.
Complex money systems: Was a bug
No ARPD: ???? If you mean only ARPD, check how many topics there have been on players wanting this.

[Acika]

Well, to be honest, I've been in Argonath for a long time, the vision hasn't changed, but we've always been told to Roleplay stuff and that we didnt need shitloads scripts to have fun.

              Apparently this changed with the 'new-age' scripters.

 It's funny how you either enjoy the script or you are a moaner and a shitter. I like this community and I do want to see it fall.

 It's also funny how developers claim they've given more support to criminals but never mentioned what they did for the police side. They gave with one hand but took away with another. Even from looking at the old RS5 page of progress, there was a bar for Police scripts, and no bar for civilians/criminals, wich was joined into (miscellaneous?)

 Its even funnier that almost all veterans that aren't cops eventually get banned at some point, and how different treatment is handed out to different people.
 
      Admins aren't robots and this is so true, like it or not, they are always biased, wether it is to tempban a player instead of permanently banning him or mark him and stalk him looking for a ban reason.

 I've tought twice about posting this post, because it will probably get me forum warned or banned or earn me a denial in my next appeal at 1st December. But if thats what it takes... Sure.


       Thanks for hearing me.

      PS: This is not meant for any specific admin or player, if you feel like this offends you, then the hat does fit you and shame on you.

Well said. Too bad you're not in A team anymore.

[Gandalf]

Keeping a RS4 server by itself would not be a problem. But there needs to be an admin team, a separate section for unbans and time dedicated to checking logs.
It is not a matter of opening the server and leaving it alone. There is no financial issue, it is more the amount of people and time needed to keep it in form.

[[Rstar]Razor]

But criminals indeed are natural rulebreakers. And you might say bias or ask why, but the point is the police officers have a lot more rules on their head, which means except the basic server rules, they have to follow few more(ARPD Officers) and a lot more for the SAPD Officers. Which makes the case where police officers are far too much restricted, to be allowed to rulebreak and get punished. And in case of rulebreak, we punish them with what's worse for them, time off from their favourite role(Copban).

And to be honest with this new criminal system in RS5, I see a lot less punishments for criminals either, because simply they will punish themselv if they rulebreak.(You will understand what I mean, if you read the topics Gandalf made)

This is what I mean. Really, seriously..

- Criminal abuses command to get money/deathmatch (say abusing /picklock to get wanted), criminal gets banned either for deathmatching or script abuse.

- Cop abuses command to get money/deathmatch ( /suspect), cop gets copbanned. Even thou he DID script abuse.

Now tell me that isn't bias and I'll tell you stop fooling yourself.

[Ted]

I have a neutral stance on this matter.

I think that the reason people might dislike RS5 are features like, forced jurisdictions as a cop, no Pay n SPray, city chat, complex money systems, no ARPD and so on. Things that limit your freedom. People want to play casually in a non-serious RP server, but now they are forced to change. This is just my theory though.

Would it be possible to release RS5, but only implement a few updates at a time? For example, keep the old money system, but after like a month or two, release the new money system, once people have gotten used to the old one? This would make the argument of "hardness of getting used to" nil, anc you wouldn't have to scrap the script.

It'd be more complex and room for error to do that. Instead playing the open beta's would help you get used to things.

[Acika]

@Plam

New criminal system didn't change any mayor thing. The essence remained the same. Cops even have bigger advantage in RS5 than they had in RS4.
When a criminal dies he loses money, house, bizz, whatnot and when a cop dies he loses nothing and he just comes back after 1min to continue...

[Devin]

Some say there is this command which saves you life called /gu or /surrender.

[Acika]

Some say there is this command which saves you life called /gu or /surrender.

That still doesnt change the fact that your money, storage, house, bizz are getting ripped off.