Some thing need to be done.

[Devin]

The last time I heard criminals were actually given money whilst in jail. Remember you don't have to get suspected to be a "criminal", you could always hire others to do the dirty work such as killing for you.

[Kirgiz]

The last time I heard criminals were actually given money whilst in jail. Remember you don't have to get suspected to be a "criminal", you could always hire others to do the dirty work such as killing for you.

In the end of the day the guy who was hired to kill must hire another person to kill so he won't get jailed. Endless loop.

oxymoron. how cute.

[Acika]

The last time I heard criminals were actually given money whilst in jail. Remember you don't have to get suspected to be a "criminal", you could always hire others to do the dirty work such as killing for you.

That's where we're so different. I lead my family and i go in front of them, i deal with my targets myself and i enjoy dealing face to face with my enemies when i confront them.

Now, you tell me to hire my men to kill them. Even if i do, they are apart of the family, same as i am, and we will anyways lose our HQ etc..

But it's nice that you're not locking the topic and that veterans can say their opinions, because you don't have much active family leaders in game.

[Devin]

Time to find better ways to handle your enemies rather than killing them like stealing their form of income or forcing them out of business by other means.

Not every dispute must be solved with guns and killing.

[Exterminator]

You only see a group once or twice when you're logging in that much. Accept the fact that Ancelotti died when Romeo left and that you have no idea with what's going on, nor is anyone in Ancelotti right now able to main the status Ancelotti had a couple of years ago. Just like for others, the fact that we have the best empire in-game is a personal problem for you and you're just jealous, and no I'm not being arrogant, it's the truth considering how you and others whine about it.

Hmm, i sure like your ability to ignore facts and try to spur random bullshit in topics.
I never mentioned Ancelotti or you people having the

best empire in-game

, only thing i did mention is that most of Gvardia is inactive and hoard properties, having your members log in once a month and now trying to bullshit RS5 because you know you can't keep up when everbody gets a fair chance at all the properties you have been holding hostage. I do wonder why you believe that even the panel lies, i have more activity than you.

Romeo is still around btw,he simply got bored of RS4. Also there is no need to try to flame Ancelotti and turn this topic into another one of your flame wars, keep your stalling tactics to the ARUN. This is not about your feud with us, this is about the server.

[[Rstar]Razor]

Some say there is this command which saves you life called /gu or /surrender.

So what you are saying is that criminals get more things taken away so they would be more submissive to cops?

And then you say oh blablabla cops argonath bla bla bla goodboys.

Well. I say you want to force this script and the limitations it brings to all the criminals down our throats.

And dont give me the RP crap as if deflecting my statements.

RPG is one and Real Life RP is another.


It all comes down to one thing a wise but infamous player once said. I told him: "I'm going to be wanted forever, the cops cant kill me" and he said "I know, but you have to let them win sometimes".

The last time I heard criminals were actually given money whilst in jail. Remember you don't have to get suspected to be a "criminal", you could always hire others to do the dirty work such as killing for you.

Oh and this. The way you said it, it makes it sound like being a suspect is an incredibly risky thing.
I wonder why that is.

[Devin]

It seems like I have hit a nerve, is it possibly because you realize your way of playing on the server is at threat if you want to keep it up on RS5?

[Acika]

Time to find better ways to handle your enemies rather than killing them like stealing their form of income or forcing them out of business by other means.

Not every dispute must be solved with guns and killing.

Very interesting, so i got an idea.

Script me a dungeon inside my HQ so i can put all people who are threatening me and trying to kill me there, instead of killing them. I would torture them there till they start loving me.

[Petarda]

Let me quote one ped
"I'm rich, you're not, get lost!" would fit the situation if you change "I'm" with "We're"

So please, few Gvardia members have more hours spent online than you and your "active" members together. And stop with that bullshit "gvardia members r inactive woof woof woof!" because eh, it's real bullshit

[Dillon]

I think this conversation needs to be a little less of fighting our own problems and just simply realize it's changing.  The only thing I see being brought up is criminal groups it's funny that people so easily forget there are so many groups/businesses that are affected by RS5 but there is only one complaining about it.  If you find the time to realize that it's not criminals being stripped and cops being handed some sort of magical advantage and actually understand that it's this all around change of the structure and that every change being implemented is a way of the bigger picture you would see that cops are going to have just as difficult of time as criminals the only difference is cops seem to have a more 'shiny' interface.

Every argument being brought up here is loose ended and needs to seriously be looked over with facts instead of fiction.

[Darxez]

The changes will happen, instead of saying: #!113131 I don't agree, try to find a solution before you get yourself killed in RS5. The ones having a smooth start in RS5 will be the ones having the smoothest period in RS5. If you Empire is so mighty, rebuild it and make it stronger this time. If you cannot do this, then your Empire isn't worth anything.

[Gandalf]

So what you are saying is that criminals get more things taken away so they would be more submissive to cops?

And then you say oh blablabla cops argonath bla bla bla goodboys.

Well. I say you want to force this script and the limitations it brings to all the criminals down our throats.

And dont give me the RP crap as if deflecting my statements.

RPG is one and Real Life RP is another.


It all comes down to one thing a wise but infamous player once said. I told him: "I'm going to be wanted forever, the cops cant kill me" and he said "I know, but you have to let them win sometimes".
Oh and this. The way you said it, it makes it sound like being a suspect is an incredibly risky thing.
I wonder why that is.

As most criminal groups have been constantly saying: being a criminal is not the same as being a suspect.
Well it is time for criminals to prove they can be more as a suspect that tries to kill as many as they can. After all if you wish to do that you belong on a TDM server and not here.

And by the way, it does not mean criminals can not have any shootout without getting their score up. They just have to follow some rules that we have tried for 6 years to establish voluntarily.

[Gandalf]

That's where we're so different. I lead my family and i go in front of them, i deal with my targets myself and i enjoy dealing face to face with my enemies when i confront them.

Now, you tell me to hire my men to kill them. Even if i do, they are apart of the family, same as i am, and we will anyways lose our HQ etc..

But it's nice that you're not locking the topic and that veterans can say their opinions, because you don't have much active family leaders in game.

You can fight opponents wihtout losing your HQ or other things in RS5, however there will be somehting else at stake that you lose when you lose the fight.
The most successful criminals are the ones that can build on the edge of being caught and find smart ways not to have to kill, yet get the job done if needed.
Did you know that in MTA:VC Aragorn had as favourite kill method drowning?

[TiMoN]

So after scrolling over 16 page, I still don't understand why the hell are you guys fighting?

Can we please have this reset?

[Gmail]

As most criminal groups have been constantly saying: being a criminal is not the same as being a suspect.
Well it is time for criminals to prove they can be more as a suspect that tries to kill as many as they can. After all if you wish to do that you belong on a TDM server and not here.

And by the way, it does not mean criminals can not have any shootout without getting their score up. They just have to follow some rules that we have tried for 6 years to establish voluntarily.

Dude, being a suspect doesn't mean killing randomly, to be honest I never liked killing, but if a cop asks for it, SURE, I mean it's clear that you are improving Cops more than Criminals, cops these days are like bulls, only that instead of red they see orange and go fucking crazy, how about a cop instead of comming to me and doing /s GU! and randomly spraying me, how about make that guy RP before telling me that I did something wrong for killing him. Suspecty=/=killers, now if you want to imploment that if a suspect that actually kills gets a darker shade of color meaning that he did something bad, do that, because after I get suspected for reckless driving and shot with MP5 and in one case by a damn hunter, where is the roleplay? there are tiers of being a criminal, I'm on the tier where I will kidnap someone, throw him off a bridge and run, but I don't get shot for that, I get shot for reckless driving. Oh and after playing on MTA, Cops need 70 bullets not 300.