Some thing need to be done.

[TheGreasyChopper]

Rusty, name me 1 admin that led a criminal group for more than a year since RS4 started.

Frank Hawk, NitrOx, Daniel Corleone and a few more...But I doubt you know who they are, seeing you are quite new my little friend. Now how about you go wait for your unban and keep talking about your "glorious" group somewhere else? For fuck's sake...Even Remo Gulucan knew when to shut up...

[Gandalf]

What he said is true, long term criminal players can never get high up into the administration, because frankly they are not welcome. As a result, there are no criminal admins to moderate the bias of the cop ones. For awhile it was looking good, but then all of the criminal admins were kicked. Even if one accepts all of the various reasons given, the fact remains that all of the admins that were criminals were among those kicked.
This is something I hope to see rectified throughout RS5's lifespan. That's what would solve a lot of the problems.

In case others forgot, you were once an admin as well as a Rstar member. Unfortunately you had to mess up both.

On every round of applications I request the HQ to specialy check for fitting criminal admins, and we have tried several times to push that including letting all criminal families deliver a moderator and accepting unsure cases as moderator.
That people get kicked from the team has nothing to do with them being criminal. We kick most people for not being active enough, and in very rare cases because they fail to meet good standards.

[Cross]

It might be a long time ago, but i was once a admin and roleplaying as a criminal faction leader.
In all honesty, i never felt unwelcome in the admin team.
PS: Even tho i think that criminal roleplay and administrator rights is a more destined for failure combination.

[Gmail]

What I'm getting from this is that if you are a high ranked officer you by that alredy have to be very active as you can lose your rank, need to follow and respect the rules or you will lose your rank, criminals and civilians can slip up some times, thus doing nothing bad but just might change the leaders perspective of them, cops on the other hand, one slip and Paul will take their badge to Narnia. And please don't say that there are no civilian admins/mods, Slavik, I have so much respect for that kid, RP situation? he doesn't care, he will help the noob that needs help, he helps everyone all the time, and I respect him for that.

[Pingster]

Oh no 22% of the admin team are in WS! It's a conspiracy!!!!!!

Dat conspiracy to set very high standards for a group.

Honestly though, of course there are going to be more admins from a group that screens their members for every detail and less from one that accepts everyone who knows which way a gun shoots.

You could say admins favor CMB members, because they don't punish them. No, we just refuse to accept anyone who breaks rules. And same goes with cops. If you're SAPD and you break rules, you will get kicked out. When is the last time you saw a criminal get kicked from a group for too much rulebreaking? Ever think THAT could be the reason criminals get punished more than cops? And lastly, for crying out loud, why is this about cops and robbers AGAIN?

If you want to improve RS5, moan about the features there and explain why, in detail, and what alternative you propose. Moaning about admins being cops or criminals, dude, admins are nothing but admins, when they join the a-team, they essentially give up their freedom to actually play the game for more than 20 minutes. The only time they can play is when they're on their alt accounts, and even then, only if there's sufficient amount of admins online.


Has anyone actually answered the thing that everyone is moaning about? What are the losses going to be in RS5, when you kill people? 1k for each player? Do the losses change if you surrender or if you get killed? If so, by how much? What's the leeway for killing people before losing the HQ and other features? Are there any losses if you just get suspected and get killed, or if you get suspected and go to jail? Do these losses change if you're suspected/jailed by FBI? Are there different losses if you're part of a criminal group or not?

I'm genuinely interested in these things, and I reckon it could be healthy to know these things in order to get rid of all this moaning.

[Gandalf]

Has anyone actually answered the thing that everyone is moaning about? What are the losses going to be in RS5, when you kill people? 1k for each player? Do the losses change if you surrender or if you get killed? If so, by how much? What's the leeway for killing people before losing the HQ and other features? Are there any losses if you just get suspected and get killed, or if you get suspected and go to jail? Do these losses change if you're suspected/jailed by FBI? Are there different losses if you're part of a criminal group or not?

I'm genuinely interested in these things, and I reckon it could be healthy to know these things in order to get rid of all this moaning.

Read the bits about criminals and you will get an idea.
Getting suspected will not count, as that could be abused too easily. If you decide to kill, you pull the trigger so it is entirely your decision.

[Pandalink]

In case others forgot, you were once an admin as well as a Rstar member. Unfortunately you had to mess up both.

You can say that for R*, sure I did mess up, but I didn't "mess up" my being an admin. I was a good admin, that much I know.

Anyway, I like I said, RS5 seems mostly good (although very early alpha atm). I hope it fixes a lot of the problems people have had over the last few years, that'd be great.

[Cross]

You can say that for R*, sure I did mess up, but I didn't "mess up" my being an admin. I was a good admin, that much I know.

Anyway, I like I said, RS5 seems mostly good (although very early alpha atm). I hope it fixes a lot of the problems people have had over the last few years, that'd be great.

Oh you still play?
I still remember you with your group Mafia Life, as it was part of the Riffs Alliance back then.
Good times, good times.

[Pandalink]

Oh you still play?
I still remember you with your group Mafia Life, as it was part of the Riffs Alliance back then.
Good times, good times.

Oh damn, that was a long time ago.

[Bundy]

This is actually a good read at a sunday night...

[Kirgiz]

Acika, reading the last 6 pages just made me lose any respect in your regard. The way you write about the issues is so pathetic, even more so pathetic to call yourself a leader of "really cool gang" after that. Please stop.

In other news, everybody completely missed the point of the opening post.

[Kirgiz]

Oh you still play?

Same could be asked about you. Woah, ze Dragons, as if right from 2007.

[Sandi]

what is wrong with you guys...this is a gaming comunity .. what are you trying to do ? enough with the arguing ... are you guys 5 ?

[Cross]

Same could be asked about you. Woah, ze Dragons, as if right from 2007.

I actually don't play, just came to take a look at the forum

[Axison]

Ok this is really stupid. You guys come up with a random f**king point and start arguing on it, come on. RS5 will replace RS4 and thats final. RS5 will have many changes and you all will get used to it. If you dont like whats happening you are welcome to leave the SA:MP division and join some other Division or if you dont like the community at ALL, you are also welcome to leave. Don't ask a question which you already know a answer of.

Let me clear some points up.

I prefer RS4 over RS5

How can you say that?, RS5 hasn't been fully released, you have just seen a little bit of it. Stop comparing Finished products with a work in-progress ones.

Keeping RS4 and RS5 in different servers:

No, that doesnt make sense. How are you planning to keep the community United?

Cops always get more advantage than Criminals and:

Cops get advantage over Criminal,This point can be debatable but it has no solution to it(not that i know of).

Admins are chosen according to there Criminal/Roleplay group and SAPD Rank:

Well if you make up this point, you might be drunk and also, lay of the drugs mate. Admins are clearly chosen on there will to help the community and the division which they play on. Reading Acika's and Reece's post on facts, I've love to say that Acika stop posting bullshit and bullshit facts that isn't true. Reece probably has more information about the admin team as he himself is a part of it. Some of you may say that i am "ass-licking" the admin team but nope, thats not true mate. All of the admins are chosen wisely and are doing the best to keep the server protected for us to have fun. And also Acika, just so you know, Not all Rstar are admins/SAPD High ranked cops.