Some thing need to be done.

[Antonio.]

is more profitable to force everyone to either help with the server or wait patiently in the other room.

Yeah...Very profitable to do that and risk lose players.

[Conroy]

Antonio and any one else who dislikes the changes in RS5,

You must remember that this server was built entirely from the ideas suggested by the community. I understand there may be changes you don't particularly like, or there may even be changes that you think should still be made. Although the server is considered released, it is still being developed (this is something we did not expect, and is also something we could not avoid). If there is anything you feel could improve the server, then feel free to suggest those changes.

On the other hand, if you are against change then I have no sympathy or respect for you, as it's common knowledge that old things get replaced with new. RS5 takes advantage of some great new SAMP features that were simply not available when RS4 was being developed.
If you are upset because of the reset, then I do understand, but the power and wealth you had in RS4 can be earned back in RS5 if you maintain a positive attitude and take this as a challenge for you and any group or family you are apart of.

As for the reduced player count, there are many factors that have caused this and it's just unfortunate that they all happened relatively close together. The sudden change from RS4 to RS5 will effect some, but I am positive that overtime players will realise that "expressing their opinion" will not bring their assets back - they have to play like everyone else.

I, personally, do not care if you think RS5 is not a good gamemode, as I have spent my free time developing it as a learning experience and not for any sort of reputation or position within the community. I have made other developers aware that I do not intent to hang around in my position after RS5 is finished as I'm sure someone else would be interested in the journey I have went through.

[Vitoo]

Please state my "opinions" and explain how they're not true.

Constructive feedback on something that can't be fixed won't do any good. And yes, I am mega, ultra anti RS5, as you say.

You want this from getting any worse than it is? Okay, provide the players something that is actually worth playing on, and not just some dig-up of what is yet to come. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen, so not much "constructive feedback" is needed.

Constructive feedback is needed, otherwise there will be no improvements in RS5; if you want any, that is.
From what I've read from you it doesn't seem that you're very interested in improvements or helping developers improve the server and that's why you shouldn't be complaining in the first place.


There you go.

[Teddy]

P.S. Nobody cares about what is/isn't meaningless to you.

your opinion (which is meaningless to me)

Guess you don't know me, something I'm quite glad of actually.

A hundred percent of the community doesn't, but a good number does; that explains the player count,

Good number to you is what? Give me an exact number and if its more than 50% of the stats we have on the community unique user base, I'll believe you.

[Leon.]

Words from you are meaningless to me. You think you speak the truth but yet you speak your opinion (which is meaningless to me) which if it was the truth 100% of the community would agree with you. However that is not the case. We don't need you here, and that my friend is the truth.

Antonio presents valid arguments -- valid meaning they're not total gibberish and worth discussing (unless you consider everything that doesn't agree with you not ever worth discussing, of course) -- and all I see is people who are too weak to present a valid counter argument, and instead cover their tracks with hilarious personal attacks and fallacies.

Doesn't take a genius to know that he's dropped a 3-pound deuce in his pants.

[Teddy]

Antonio presents valid arguments

He has pointed out why he thinks the server's population has dropped, there is no arguing there. I don't disagree RS5 has had an impact on the servers user count. What he hasn't provided valid arguments for is what counts, how do we improve the situation with what we have, RS5.

Until those arguments are provided, I'm done with this discussion.

[Leon.]

Well, let's have another one, then.

If I provide proof of ownership, will I be able to receive all of my condoms from RS4 back? lolol

[Teddy]

Condoms do not exist in RS5. However, Gandalf has hinted in another topic about providing support to those who have been helpful. I don't know the extent, or his intents but it has been hinted at.

[Leon.]

NO CONDOMS? D'AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

But wait, does that mean no STD's?

[Teddy]

But wait, does that mean no STD's?

Don't know yet. The hooker system was developed with only going on duty, I didn't even originally include /sex. The hooker system was later disabled in closed beta, and still in open beta. The script may not be included in release. I'd need more ideas to make this system better before going to Gandalf about keeping it or ditching it.

[Zorex116]

No condoms? But but....me and Terro made  profit with it. Time to protest about the government not supporting sex!

[Kirgiz]

Do you have access to usage logs just before, during release, and post release? Didn't think so. You'll actually see the decrease started a bit before the release, if you had dug into it.

First two sentences are irrelevant.

Ah, typical ignorant denial...

What I was trying to tell you, you don't have to provide researches for an obvious decline of players. Why do you keep so blatantly defending it when it's so obvious?

[Devin]

So to summarize all of this back and forth nonsense;

The player count has decreased, so what? It makes no difference to RS5.
What caused it? Who cares, people move on with life and have other priorities to handle.

People come and people go, whether it was caused by RS5 or not, the player count has changed. Get over it and move on.
If you are trying to present some viable solution go ahead otherwise stop reiterating the same as a person with alzheimer's would.

[Bruce.]

Whhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttt... No condoms :O :O :O No more Safe Sex HIV/AIDS for everyone 

[Gandalf]

It seems people are going in circles here for the last 5 pages.

So let me introduce some new facts.

1. The reset was decided when we started to develop RS5 about 3 years ago. As we expected a drop in player count the moment it was announced, it was just never declared in public.

2. As much as you wish to whinge, it will not bring back anything. We do not force anyone to play, but on the other hand we can stop people from being a constant negative asset. Take that as you wish.

3. We do not control player count. We provide something to play in, and if nobody wants to use it we will do somehting else. GTA:SA is 10 years old, SA:MP is 8 years. People grow and move on, new games ave arrived.
If you wish to suggest new things to look at, they are always welcome.

4. RS5 is probably the last full game mode we will create for SA:MP, it is up to you to make it special. But remember our scripts have never been the main reason of playing.