RS4-RS5

[Pingster]

What exactly do you have that no other server offers, mind I ask?

Better question is, what did Argonath have that others didn't and then copied it from Argonath?

[Boromir]

Is anyone forcing you guys to stay?
If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave, not shitting on our hard-working helpers and their work.

[kevinarens]

Is anyone forcing you guys to stay?
If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave, not shitting on our hard-working helpers and their work.

With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..

[TiMoN]

With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..

Because players always "come and go".

[Devin]

With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..

No-one is happy to tell people to leave however if you can only criticize and complain about the new scripts then why are you here?

[JDC]

With all my respect, but why are you guys "happy" to see people leaving..
Look to the players online atm, 5/100.
I am bored of playing with 7 players, really it isn't fun anymore.
I want an active SAMP Argonath server, and you are just telling people to leave..

It seems you are obviously not considering the other factors in the equation (i.e: circumstances behind RS5 launch, MTA:SA, IV:MP, GTA:V, age of GTA:SA, age of players, etc) when complaining about how low the early RS5 player count is (when compared to that of RS4's after its launch).

For once, rather than simply pointing the finger at scripters and shitting them for giving hundreds of hours of their free time (with no compensation) on a gamemode made for you, I would like to see someone make a fair complaint about RS5 that actually actually has substance and backs up their claims with all the underlying / relevant factors, instead of moaning (read: zero-constructive complaining) and justifying their moaning.

[Kirgiz]

Is anyone forcing you guys to stay?
If you are disgusted by the new script, then leave, not shitting on our hard-working helpers and their work.

Ah, the "Moaning/shitting" card. Why is there something for you to not take the fact that there are a lot of really individual things that people do not like in a script?

As far as I'm concerned, seeing that you haven't been active since at least May of this year, you cannot objectively navigate the situation based on blinking observations of the forum for a couple of moments.

Better question is, what did Argonath have that others didn't and then copied it from Argonath?

Please post example of successful communities (i.e. having at least stable 50+ people on a server every day) that have things which are FLAT OUT copied (or, in other words, really unique) from ArgonathRPG SAMP. Otherwise you are spreading bullshit.

[JDC]

Ah, the "Moaning/shitting" card. Why is there something for you to not take the fact that there are a lot of really individual things that people do not like in a script?

There are always things that people will not like in a script. Yet after years of complaints from negativists and other people like yourself, the developers seem to have learned to filter out the noise and figure out which changes are worth implementing.

As far as I'm concerned, seeing that you haven't been active since at least May of this year, you cannot objectively navigate the situation based on blinking observations of the forum for a couple of moments.

Assuming Boromir thinks and observes situations the way somebody like you would.

Please post example of successful communities (i.e. having at least stable 50+ people on a server every day) that have things which are FLAT OUT copied (or, in other words, really unique) from ArgonathRPG SAMP. Otherwise you are spreading bullshit.

The passport and the (mechanics of) housing system, for starters, are among the things Argonath pioneered, if I remember correctly. With such examples, it would be better to focus on which things Argonath pioneered rather than enumerating communities that have them (well-played subtle attempt at advertising, by the way) as the latter would entail quite a long list. I'm sure Gandalf would be happy to add to the former's list in yet another post that trumps your attempt to make the developers appear in a bad light.

There are things I do not like in this community too. But no matter how long I take a hiatus, one of the things I can always count on seeing when coming back is you making snide remarks against this community and its administration. You seem to despise Argonath so much, so why are you still here?

[Pingster]

Please post example of successful communities (i.e. having at least stable 50+ people on a server every day) that have things which are FLAT OUT copied (or, in other words, really unique) from ArgonathRPG SAMP. Otherwise you are spreading bullshit.

Flat out copied - no (and without seeing the code of original, would be highly unlikely to do so anyway), but follow Argonath's footsteps, yes. And I'm spreading Gandalf's words, you can judge for yourself whether that's bullshit or not.

As for clarity regarding new ideas, our ideas are usually followed to some extent by other servers. There for bringing out ideas before they are realised is not a good thing.

Actually we have had a Christmas tree since SA:MP 0.2b..... Guess where ANY other server got the original idea from.

Actually other servers got many ideas from us. 

There for Argonath introduced the second, stable id of a car which makes it possible to have a car owner system. It took a while before other servers figured that one out...

When creating the script, we used something that actually no server has managed to emulate, simply because even our players hardly use it. We have the possibility to use a different interior spawn location in every single interior. If you would like the same interior as someone else, but to "enter" on the top floor instead of near the bottom door, that is possible. As no other server has this, it is rarely documented or used. The downside is that with no fixed point of entry, it is not possible to create a fixed point of exit.

Few examples of bullshit I'm spreading, too little sleep to go in detail, maybe SugarD will provide, I asked him just now


Edit: Oh, good, JDC strikes as well. Inb4 Gandalf with a huge list.

[Gandalf]

What did we make that others copied?

- Setting houses and other properties in varying places instead of having them fixed
- Passport and driving license
- Cop system
- Entering custom interiors with a delay to stop falling
- fuel system
- when you are ejected from a car by script, the car stops first instead of driving on (implemented in
SA:MP itself)
- cb radio
- owning multiple cars
- business entry fees
- detection of various hacks and warning to admins
- NPC's that interact with players (used only for zombies due to heavy usage of resources)

I can think of more but probably you got the idea here.

the design of RS5 is revolutionair in many ways as it allows for things which are currently limited by SA:MP itself.
- unlimited cars, houses, business
- storing money in wallets that can be passed to others
- storing goods in containers that can be put in cars/trucks

In fact most of the things players find 'comnplicated' are so because they are new.

[Kirgiz]

What did we make that others copied?

- Setting houses and other properties in varying places instead of having them fixed - nice try, but no
- Passport and driving license  lol
- Cop system i don't see vast differences from other services apart from, obviously, other layout messages (how /rank done etc)
- Entering custom interiors with a delay to stop falling another nice try
- fuel system plausible, i don't exactly feel that you're the first who'd done fuel system in SA:MP
- when you are ejected from a car by script, the car stops first instead of driving on (implemented in
SA:MP itself) - its an achievement, i agree, but you willingly spreaded it, open source doesnt count
- cb radio other radio ideas exist on other servers, yours are just expanded so its a no go
- owning multiple cars agree, but its easily done so hardly innovative and outstanding idea
- business entry fees some PEN1 scripts even had it
- detection of various hacks and warning to admins no comment, you might understand why
- NPC's that interact with players (used only for zombies due to heavy usage of resources) no comment

I can think of more but probably you got the idea here.

So yeah.

Flat out copied - no (and without seeing the code of original, would be highly unlikely to do so anyway), but follow Argonath's footsteps, yes.

<large list of things ensue>

In the end of the day, just f**king how can you base the fact that these are taken straight from Argonath? Do you people here seriously thing there wasn't anyone else who had the same idea, just later than you, and it necessarily wasn't taken from Argonath, not even the idea? It's the same as trying to argue that there's only one way of proving Pythagoras' theorem.

There are always things that people will not like in a script. Yet after years of complaints from negativists and other people like yourself,

I will ignore the later part of the post because you clearly have a delusion of who you're talking to, if you have the idea that I'm shitting on RS5. I've yet to say a bad thing about RS5, or the quality of the scripts, actually, but thank you for once more proving that you are only capable of writing paragraphs of absolute nonsense on Advanced English levels.

[Bundy]

- storing money in wallets that can be passed to others

Specially for this point; I really appreciate the effort, and I'm sure many others do, but really this idea is superfluous.

Last time we got a 2k payday it took me half an hour to withdraw it from my bank, even with help from others in the help chat. I suggest making the script easier to understand by either making it less complicated with an easy to understand description (instead of /cash, /banks, /wallets, /...; just have 1 command to summarize all) or, a (probably) less prefered idea by scripters; bringing the old /wire and /send back. Please think about it.

[Kaze]

I'm requesting this topic to be closed, its doing my head in.

[Rusty]

Last time we got a 2k payday it took me half an hour to withdraw it from my bank, even with help from others in the help chat.

 

Don't think it took you half an hour to figure it out, understanding it is about as simple as locking your front door.

[Kirgiz]

Don't think it took you half an hour to figure it out, understanding it is about as simple as locking your front door.

It took me 3 weeks to learn how to tie shoe laces