Former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon dies at 85

[Khm]

It's not the best land for the Jewish, but it's their lands. There's no other owners except the jewish, no romes and no palestinian and surely not the british. Britain didn't have such interest to the jews like to the arabs, the prefered the arabs because of the egyptian canal (Suetz), for neft and support from arab states who were with hitler while Britain fought against the nazis. Do you know about the "white book of McDonald"? Do you know that the anti zionist British ministers legislate laws to prevent the jewish aliyah and help the arabs raise the palestinian country? The british didn't need the jewish support until hitler was coming through and almost got to Israel and then the British asked the jews to induct into their army. They knew the jewish will support them anyways so they didn't realy care. But what is for sure, Israel has gotten it's goal and returned our beloved land back.

Arabs were never with Hitler in the killing spree. The arabs were stolen by the strongest countries such as Tunisia and France. How would they even drop an opinion in that time?

[Mark_C]

Arabs were never with Hitler in the killing spree. The arabs were stolen by the strongest countries such as Tunisia and France. How would they even drop an opinion in that time?

Before the war.

[Khm]

Before the war.

You're totally wrong, my brother. Islam promotes peace not killing everyone.

[Gandalf]

That's true. Both religions anyway have almost the same rules. Maybe if I was older would make you believe what I've said. The only thing that I want to do is stopping this discussion only if one of us have very strong proves. But I may show you that torah have got many mistakes and confuse-able.

The problem with your age is not that you can not convince me, but that I have a strong advantage over you due to my experience.
I have debated the subject with people of my age, and I have done so with some of my friends who are Hadji and Iman. 
For me it would not feel right if I would make you doubt, as it would make your parents feel you should not spend time on the internet.

Please understand that it is out of respect for your parents, not because I would not wish to listen to you and present my arguments.

[Axison]

There is no Jesus Christ in the Torah, of you do not know that it is time you educate yourself.
Instead of asking queations and trying to prove "your" God is better, how about educating yourself by reading about all religions, and questioning yourself from where your belief comes.

I am not trying to prove my "God" right, if you read the "Actual" Torah Jesus Christ is mentioned but with not the name of Jesus, as far as all the other religion goes Mohammad is also mentioned in EACH and every holy book but with different referenaces(even in the vedah). I don't mean any disrespect to ANY religion that has/was founded, I respect all of them and love them equally as i love my religion. However i don't want to talk about religion's as its not going to lead us anywhere but just argument's that's never going to end.

[Axison]

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/fastfacts.htm
http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/fastfacts.htm
That's one fact. When I will come back from school I will provide you plenty of other resources to prove you else. I can't even understand how you can say that.

Is that taken from Bible and/or Torah?, I dont think so, read what i posted.

[Mikal]

You should all be politicians, you seem to have mastered the skill of discussing things but not reaching a solution or agreement!

[Axison]

You should all be politicians, you seem to have mastered the skill of discussing things but not reaching a solution or agreement!

Lol

[Khm]

The problem with your age is not that you can not convince me, but that I have a strong advantage over you due to my experience.
I have debated the subject with people of my age, and I have done so with some of my friends who are Hadji and Iman. 
For me it would not feel right if I would make you doubt, as it would make your parents feel you should not spend time on the internet.

Please understand that it is out of respect for your parents, not because I would not wish to listen to you and present my arguments.

My parents gave me the full freedom to choose anything but with my responsibilities of course. No one will change my mind about islam since I searched and reached somethings that I do not know how to explain and put them here due to my age and my english skills.

[Mikal]

My parents gave me the full freedom to choose anything

Doubt it.

[Gandalf]

I am not trying to prove my "God" right, if you read the "Actual" Torah Jesus Christ is mentioned but with not the name of Jesus, as far as all the other religion goes Mohammad is also mentioned in EACH and every holy book but with different referenaces(even in the vedah). I don't mean any disrespect to ANY religion that has/was founded, I respect all of them and love them equally as i love my religion. However i don't want to talk about religion's as its not going to lead us anywhere but just argument's that's never going to end.

If that were true, why would the Jewish disagree?
I recently had a discussion with a Muslim who tried to tell me that every God is simply another manifestation of the Muslim God.
Unfortunately he was unfamiliar with Bacchus, the god alcoholic beverages.

Taking the arrival of an announced prophet from a religion and labeling Mohamed on that to make a match is a misleading and false practice. As you may know the natives in South America had a belief that bearded gods would come from the East, and considered Cortez to be the fulfillment. According to you they were waiting for Mohamed 

[Gandalf]

My parents gave me the full freedom to choose anything but with my responsibilities of course. No one will change my mind about islam since I searched and reached somethings that I do not know how to explain and put them here due to my age and my english skills.

So if you tell your parents you have become atheist they will give you their blessing?

[Mikal]

If that were true, why would the Jewish disagree?
I recently had a discussion with a Muslim who tried to tell me that every God is simply another manifestation of the Muslim God.

Thats exactly what a muslim IRL told me! Which doesn't make sense since Islam came after Christianity and such.

So if you tell your parents you have become atheist they will give you their blessing?

Or they'd get rid of him..

[Khm]

So if you tell your parents you have become atheist they will give you their blessing?

They let me do. It's my life and my responsibility, I should take care about it.

[Mark_C]

Israel is conquering, which goes against each and every rule stated within the UN, UNESCO, and other international organisations. Whoever lived there first, or whatever religious bullshit is spread about Judea and whatnot in this thread, does not and will never justify murder, bombings or terrorism on innocents in my eyes. There were casualties on both sides undeniably, and there is no such thing as wrong or right nowadays either, but to justify Israel's actions by 'whoever lived there first' is very narrow minded. Think of it like this: you're a happily living your life at your home when all of a sudden the police come knocking on your door, saying that your house now belongs to another family (or atleast a part of it) with the reason that the house used to belong to a great great great great great great granddad. On top of that, the family is expanding its territory in your house, up until the point that you have nothing left except your basement. Now, is this not enough reason for the claimed 'Palestinian agression'? Up until the point that there starts a continues argument and fighting between your family and the family that took your room and house and is now watching your TV and jerking off to your porn on your PC. Now tell me again how 5 million light years back some Jew pissed on a rock in the middle of the desert, and now justifies the act of unlawful expansion of territory and discriminating ethnic minorities in present day Israel, breaching every international peace treaty.

Conquering what? something that belonged to them long time ago, even before the existence of Muslim and Mohammed and was confiscated by other nation and now we just return it after we gained so much power and motivation? How can you compare Palestinian crimes to Israeli's one which are not done on purpose but for safety matters? Israel Defense Force is to defend and not to conquer or raise conflicts. It's you who raise the conflicts, you support HAMAS and can't reach a hand and help Egypt to restrain them. I see no point in your statement which says Israeli confiscate arab houses. What are you speaking about? I haven't seen Israeli police doing such an action, but I have seen and heard about legal actions against the beduins in the Negev who build illegal settlements against the laws and without any permits. Israel got all of the authorization to destruct such settlements. And if you will direct now about the Israeli settlements in West Bank, so I tell you West Bank was also our . Your statement reminds me of the nazis, who confiscated Jewish properties and passed them to the German citizens (Aryanization). Now explain me how Israel breaches every international peace treaty while the Palestinian people, them self rend it? Israel provides Sector Gaza  enormous amount of supplies and while transferring them to Gaza, waiting with hundreds of loaded trucks and waiting hours upon hours to get them into Gaza, we get protests, burst of hatred and missiles attack. Where is the solidarity? John Carry arrives to Israel uncountable times a year to help you to reach an agreement, so in future you will be able to raise your own country. Palestinian don't posses conscience as from what it looks nowadays.