Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Acika]

Criminals have been degraded to the ground in RS5, it's not a challenge , it's so annoying and not even fun.
Criminals are not supposed to be fireman.
Economy is so unbalanced (For 40mins fireman earns 4k, drug dealer earns 400$)


Because you take criminal groups not important, because you dont know to show little respect for their contribution and dedication to the server over years, because you have failed to fulfill ur promises, maybe that's why there is 14 players on Sundays.

Give criminal groups a reason to play.

[Jaka_Lah]

Let me just stop you there, your previous points were crying about how much you miss money and how criminals can only RP with money weapons and fancy fast cars. sooo.. no.

[Teddy]

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http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103772.0
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103773.0

I'm not even a criminal and I've made more of an effort than you to rectify the situation. Stop crying about it and start producing some ideas to change the problems you face. Acika you have some good points as to things that were "missed" in RS5; if you'd only be more productive about it.

[Miller786]

I'm sorry but did you get a PhD in bullshit?
I would love to see those rules written down by a community leader.
Official statuses weren't taken because of inactivity, they were because of script change, which reffers me to my first point, where did you get your degree?

I dont even know why i bother to answer, if the groups were active and continuing to roleplay why the hell should their official status reviewed?
Common sense is not something magical, status was removed because of groups not being active not because of a new script...

[JDC]

Criminals have been degraded to the ground in RS5, it's not a challenge , it's so annoying and not even fun.
Criminals are not supposed to be fireman.
Economy is so unbalanced (For 40mins fireman earns 4k, drug dealer earns 400$)

Well perhaps instead of complaining and pointing fingers like you always do, you may want to propose a sensible economic plan / solution that would make it more balanced for criminals. Surely a "legend" like yourself should be capable of something like that, you think not?

[Zaila]

What do you, literally, want the groups to do ? I'm pretty sure they'll work around finding a solution.

Be active to begin with, and not just a few members. What i'm talking about is the beaing present on the server and contributing to a positive atmosphere.

you have taken their statuses unfairly and haven't given them enough time to get back on their feet

How is it unfair to give every group the same possibilities?

Nobody was forced to beta test it

You are correct. However, if you did not help us beta test the scripts then you shouldn't complain at all. It would have taken the developers 10 times longer (if not even more) to find all bugs that was found by all those that beta tested the scripts.

official groups aren't some sort of slaves, they're something smaller groups should look up to.

You are correct. However, they are supposed to support the staff team and the developers in the work they do.

I refuse to acknowledge mikal having a point and I will do everything in my power to reject it.

Good luck with that, i personally think aswell he got a point in it.

Criminals have been degraded to the ground in RS5, it's not a challenge , it's so annoying and not even fun.

I understand that. We still got some features planned but the person that was supposed to do it went inactive for several months without finishing it, and everyone else had other tasks on their hands and we didn't get the chance to finish it. Eventually, it will be created and it should provide criminal groups with another source of income. However, what the feature is supposed to be is something i will not disclose for now.

Criminals are not supposed to be fireman.
Economy is so unbalanced (For 40mins fireman earns 4k, drug dealer earns 400$)

I agree with this. However, to my knowledge, the algorithm that makes the payment was changed to even it out. If it's still a problem, please say so and solutions will be looked into.

Because you take criminal groups not important, because you dont know to show little respect for their contribution and dedication to the server over years, because you have failed to fulfill ur promises, maybe that's why there is 14 players on Sundays.

Give criminal groups a reason to play.

We do take criminal groups seriously, but see my response above.

[Stivi]

I agree with this. However, to my knowledge, the algorithm that makes the payment was changed to even it out. If it's still a problem, please say so and solutions will be looked into.

With weed, with simple math, you "buy" one gram for around 11$ (200$/grams harvested= ~11) and you sell to 20$/gram ( at this moment, was 24$ before, though). While with heroin, a small package costs 400$, selling it gives you 76$ profit. The heroin, which is more expensive than weed, and finding it is way harder, its price doesn't fit.

[Zaila]

With weed, with simple math, you "buy" one gram for around 11$ (200$/grams harvested= ~11) and you sell to 20$/gram ( at this moment, was 24$ before, though). While with heroin, a small package costs 400$, selling it gives you 76$ profit. The heroin, which is more expensive than weed, and finding it is way harder, its price doesn't fit.

I was speaking of the fireman payout algorithm.

[Teddy]

I was speaking of the fireman payout algorithm.

Based on his explaining and the fireman limitations; the algorithms still aren't balanced where criminals balanced. My suggestion however would balance that out without any changes in algorithms or prices; and without over/under challenging either system's complexity.

[Acika]

When i point on a problem, i also provide a solution. You just need to read carefully and think.

i.e

It takes 10minutes for heroin to arrive. It's so annoying, it's such a big waste of time for such a low income + you can get killed, robbed, arrested 10 times.
If you think you would know that the "timer"should be lower, like it was before.

Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)

[Teddy]

When i point on a problem, i also provide a solution. You just need to read carefully and think.

Read my posts and compare them to yours; see who actually provides the solutions.

It takes 10minutes for heroin to arrive. It's so annoying, it's such a big waste of time for such a low income + you can get killed, robbed, arrested 10 times.
If you think you would know that the "timer"should be lower, like it was before.

Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)

Exhibit a: You provide the detailed problem. You lack a proper solution. Solutions aren't providing "hints" and letting the person sit there and guess what you're non-existent solution is. Not to mention these topics aren't the place for ideas or suggestions.

[Jaka_Lah]

I dont even know why i bother to answer, if the groups were active and continuing to roleplay why the hell should their official status reviewed?
Common sense is not something magical, status was removed because of groups not being active not because of a new script...
have you at least finished the elementary school?

The main reason why we have decided this is because RS5 is a fresh start, and we want to follow that path when it comes to groups aswell. As soon as ARUN is up and running, all groups will be closely watched and if we see a group fit the criteria of being offical then we will discuss it.

Another reason is because official groups will have some actual perks ingame aswell from now on. Letting you keep your official status would give you a huge advantage aswell over other groups during this time.

I hate when people can't realize how wrong they are and it takes me genuine effort to prove them wrong..

[JDC]

It takes 10minutes for heroin to arrive. It's so annoying, it's such a big waste of time for such a low income + you can get killed, robbed, arrested 10 times.
If you think you would know that the "timer"should be lower, like it was before.

Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)

This is NOT a solution. This is you pointing out things that anyone with half a brain cell's worth of observation skills can see.

I'm talking about making an actual plan, discussing the dynamics, a roadmap for possible implementation, etc. Teddy is doing a better job at it than you are.

[Jaka_Lah]

Economy is not balanced - drug dealer earns 10% of firemans 100%
If you think you would know that the income should be same for every "job" (altho illegaly you should be able to earn more)

So people who risk their lives to save civilians and extinguish fires should get paid less than some street rat who can't go 5 minutes without making drugs? Firemen get rewarded by the government, street rats like you get money for being petty.

[Acika]

This is you pointing out things that anyone with half a brain cell's worth of observation skills can see.

The moment you call dev team brainless

If everyone can see, why nothing isnt changing for months.

So people who risk their lives to save civilians and extinguish fires should get paid less than some street rat who can't go 5 minutes without making drugs? Firemen get rewarded by the government, street rats like you get money for being petty.

So people who work illegaly, who are risking their life to be killed, kidnapped, scammed, arrested should have same income as people who do a legal job ?