Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Jones]

RS5:

- Commands are complicated, not finished, with useless menu boxes and tons of bugs.
- PD's bugged, no PnS (what if they're no mechanics online, and mechanics can be used for evil in criminal work, aka abuse), many more...
- Bank, wallets, card and that shit are way more complicated, $10 charge for every deposit and withdrawal...
- 99 percent of the server died, left and want RS4 back...

Commands are complicated or the systems are complicated? If it's the first then playing on Argonath isn't the first thing I'd be worried about.
As said multiple times, RS5 was released before it was ready meaning there were clearly going to be bugs.
Would you rather 1 menu or 10 commands?

Refer to my point about bugs.
Not sure what happened with PnS's, I'm sure that they were meant to be put back but I may be wrong.
Many more isn't constructive.

If you actually spent 5 minutes to take a look at the banking system you'd realise it's actually pretty easy to understand, although it may be different in your case in which I'd suggest you refer to my first point.
You're actually complaining about $10?
99 percent isn't accurate and contradicts the results of the point of this entire topic.

RS4:

- Simply as hell, fun, RP.
- Commands are fully finished, police ranks, PnS, no shitty mechanics. Simplicity at highest.
- Gangs, police, mafia, good old times huh...
- 150 upto 200 players DAILY, whilst in RS5 10 players max, daily...
- RS4 only had one problem, which was CBFASI's damn grammar mistakes in some text, but overall RS4 was the best yet. EVERYONE KNOWS IT, even Gandalf, all the admins...

I don't exactly know what to say about that, having fun with RP depends on a persons perspective. I'm quite sure you had fun breaking rules in RS4.1 but that's not on topic.
Commands were fully finished in RS4.1 yet there were still a ton of bugs. I don't think you get the point that we clearly told you that there were going to be bugs.
Good old times, let's go back to the time where the internet didn't exist so this wouldn't have even been a problem. "Good old times".
Get off the forums and go IG, notice the change in player count?
I don't know how you don't get banned for that but what ever.

Main problem was that developers gave so many attention to some parts of the script while overlooking/rushing other parts... The players who got their enjoyment from these so called 'other parts'

...

I can't say I disagree.

Five man, five. 

You're so funny ""

If my opinion is a negative feedback does it mean that I am shitting?

I actually found your feedback something that the development team could use as it could be useful.

Welcome to Argonath RPG.

You should really take up comedy.

[Devin]

I'm probably one of the oldest players around and you can bet that I like Argonath and I want to see it going for much more time.

Having an early registration date is one thing, actively assisting in the community for the time spent here is a vastly different thing.

To what cause, exactly?
Gandalf has already set his demands for bringing back RS4 which obviously won't be met which leaves us stuck with RS5. With that in mind, I would love to know what you think the purpose & goal of this thread actually is.

What the thread was designed to be and what the thread currently is is two very different demons.

[Slavik]

Let me stop you right there. I never shitted on noone. I told my opinion and I got crapped over for it, so don't talk about things that apparently escape your comprehension.

If my opinion is a negative feedback does it mean that I am shitting?

I'm probably one of the oldest players around and you can bet that I like Argonath and I want to see it going for much more time.

Did I say you were shitting? Now did I?
I agreed with you because people couldn't wait for RS5 and when it come out they want RS4 back

[JDC]

JDC are you even an active SAMP player?

No, not at all. I am never ingame and I have not tried the server since the RS5 Beta was uploaded. In fact, I am completely curious as to how I know exactly who is active, and also wondering how I got familiar with the features and was able to post several bug reports.
</sarcasm>

But the fact that you even asked this question shows that you yourself are not.

Actually, it's not, it's way more complicated. If you fart, a menu pops up and you have options to choose whether it will smell badly or not, while in RS4 there are no any useless menu boxes (there are some, but they are very useful).

I have to agree on this part, not because dialog boxes were used for complicated tasks, but because they just had to incorporate even the simplest ones. (i.e. /cash, /bank) At this point I would liken RS5 to a Blackberry 10 device; nice hardware, but the OS (user interface) is not so user-friendly.

Also, what's up with the rainbow on the public chat? It looks funny, same as when you join some random server which was developed by a 10 year old kid.

Aside from the messages reminding players to report bugs on the forum, it looks pretty much the same to me.

I like to play, not to explore bugs.

You cannot have the benefits without the responsibilities. If it was not for many people who explored RS4's bugs (and thus enabled the devs to fix them), you would not have been able to have the RS4 gameplay experience.

Man, calm down

Before you ask him to calm down, you might want to look at his logs. They're hilarious.

Why not share this with the wider community?

Because the "wider community" has a penchant for fucking things up and derailing even the most useful, productive discussions. Examples are the two Let's Get Real topics, and even the Oscars.

I would like to see how players voted and not administration.

Yeah, because admins are not human beings nor real players, and should not have the same rights that non-admins enjoy...

Welcome to Argonath RPG.

False. I myself have made negative feedbacks (some in forum posts, and others elsewhere) but I do not shit.

A negative feedback is only shitting if people do not know how to express it properly without the aim of destroying others or throwing shit somewhere.  Unfortunately that is a problem for many people.

People like you destroy argonath and i dont like people who do that

I fucking LOL'd. You're the one pointing fingers, shitting, moaning, and flaming other players on a regular basis. Khm, on the other hand, is frequently ingame, helping out the community.

Better consider who is seriously the more useful human being here. (Panda Araatus, 2014)

Thats my constructive feedback..

constructive

You should get one of these, they're wonderful.

[Zlatan]

Commands are complicated or the systems are complicated? If it's the first then playing on Argonath isn't the first thing I'd be worried about.
As said multiple times, RS5 was released before it was ready meaning there were clearly going to be bugs.
Would you rather 1 menu or 10 commands?

Refer to my point about bugs.
Not sure what happened with PnS's, I'm sure that they were meant to be put back but I may be wrong.
Many more isn't constructive.

If you actually spent 5 minutes to take a look at the banking system you'd realise it's actually pretty easy to understand, although it may be different in your case in which I'd suggest you refer to my first point.
You're actually complaining about $10?
99 percent isn't accurate and contradicts the results of the point of this entire topic.


I don't exactly know what to say about that, having fun with RP depends on a persons perspective. I'm quite sure you had fun breaking rules in RS4.1 but that's not on topic.
Commands were fully finished in RS4.1 yet there were still a ton of bugs. I don't think you get the point that we clearly told you that there were going to be bugs.
Good old times, let's go back to the time where the internet didn't exist so this wouldn't have even been a problem. "Good old times".
Get off the forums and go IG, notice the change in player count?
I don't know how you don't get banned for that but what ever.


I can't say I disagree.

You're so funny ""

I actually found your feedback something that the development team could use as it could be useful.

You should really take up comedy.

They made a bunch of menus... as for 10 commands or 1 menu, they made those 10 commands FOR ONE FUCKING THING which is WITHDRAWAL, DEPOSIT, wallets, bank and that shit.

we want rs4 not shit

[Alexander_Rijav]

1) Currently playing, and I will be playing.
2) Not sure.

1) Playing and always will,I don't care if I lose money becose all my money are used for and during RP. Rest of them I give to my colleagues in ARTP becose I am sure where they go.
2) The only thing I want expect the bugs is getting the script fully working.

[Frank_Hawk]

If you take a look at this topic, I barely see any actual constructive feedback. I know there are people who are trying to help and there are people who are doing what they are meant to and actually reporting the bugs by playing ingame. The decision ultimately lies down to HQ and I don't think they'd simply ignore the players opinions.


Two very simple questions:

If the bugs in RS5 were fixed, would you play?
If the bugs in RS5 were fixed and you wouldn't want to play, what would you want to see changed?

Very few people have actually answered this seriously and constructively despite topics that were made about it (and probably severely moderated..)

Thanks for bringing this up Jones. You will notice in my original post, I’ve made several comments related to the current state of RS5 and the unprecedented challenges we face and possible options of rectifying those. Though the resolution of defects/bugs is important, it is not the highest priority in my view. The highest priority is restoring confidence in the spirit, personality and flare of SA:MP Argonath which in my opinion has been compromised by RS5 through drastic game mode change from its predecessors.

Alongside the above, there has been a side storm brewing which was economic/group stagnation which is ever increasingly crippling the server. For example, when players have less money, they are less likely to spend. This means that public roles like a taxi driver have no purpose because they are very unlikely to obtain customers meaning they will vacant the role. The mismanagement of RS5 economic stimulus has led us to the brink of economic uncertainty and some might argue recession.

In short, to answer your questions:

1.   No, if the bugs alone were fixed, I would not play in RS5.

2.   If the bugs were fixed, a large proportion of RS4 functionality would have to reintroduced and constant but proportionate economic stimulus would be required. Saying this, it would not work with the current player base and would take many months or realistically years to return to standalone economic growth. In short, a return to RS4 is more strongly preferred but with the caveat that we reduce 25% of bank deposits and cash in hand for all players.

[Slavik]

we want rs4 not shit

I dont see shit, do you?

[JDC]

Having an early registration date is one thing, actively assisting in the community for the time spent here is a vastly different thing.

I can attest that Razor has been quite a useful member of the community, barring his activity problems. Over the years, from the time I was a new player and he an admin, to until he was a mapper and I one of the managers overseeing him, he has been contributing to this community. So let's not get the three of you (with Slavik) all arguing please, we're on the same side here.

I dont see shit, do you?

If somebody's eyes are full of shit, they will see shit wherever they go. Apparently we are talking to one example. 

[AK47]

I dont see shit, do you?

Obviously.

[My_Name_Is_Lan]

LOL theres more people reading this topic right now then actually playing argo.

[Slavik]

If somebody's eyes are full of shit, they will see shit wherever they go. 

[Slavik]

LOL theres more people reading this topic right now then actually playing argo.

Indeed. they should go in-game.

Obviously.

please show.

[Zlatan]

Indeed. they should go in-game.

Fuck your "INGAME" shit. We've been in the fucking server, and the script suck ass, thats why theres more people ON THIS TOPIC ITSELF, rather than the server....

[My_Name_Is_Lan]

LOL theres more people reading this topic right now then actually playing argo.

Indeed. they should go in-game.

Including myself