Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[JDC]

Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
And just because you probably (can't say since I don't play anymore) started being recently active you think you're the cure and Mr.KnowItAll for the whole situation? Where were you when the server was constantly at 150/150 and groups like Gvardia, Corleone, Ancelotti etc. were keeping the server alive? Or did you just decide to now get active to try to impress somebody?
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There are a lot of people who have the right to claim that they really did contribute to something in Argonath and you're not one of them.

You might want to check the list I left in your PM then.

I kinda saw you post a few times that "you're doing this in game" and that "you're contributing by doing this in-game" and let me just ask you to please stop.

To stop stating facts, and to start stating "facts" by joining those who claim RS5 is a load of shit and do not want to focus on solutions?

I am not contributing because I left the server about two months ago.

Then by what standard do you put yourself above those who are actively contributing in the here-and-now?

Your opinion. Though your "just RP it" point of view wasn't really supported by the majority of the players.

If by "majority" you mean the many supporters of ideas that were riddled with anti-fun elements and poor game design (Panda Araatus, 2014), then I have no regrets. Nearly all of those ideas would have harmed the server more had they been implemented.

Ironically, as the ideas that "harmed" the server now in RS5 are themselves products of PLAYER suggestions...

[Mopreme]

Ironically, as the ideas that "harmed" the server now in RS5 are themselves products of PLAYER suggestions...

More ironically is gandalf saying he had already planned, years ago, how he would like the server to look like (which came a reality with the upbringing of RS5).
I don't blame the dissapearence of the 100+ players utterly on the scripters, but you don't have to be a genuius to realize, things just aren't turning out that bright. Admitting it is a whole different thing, I'm afraid.

[eymas]

For as long as it is understandable that you cannot place the blame on anyone or anything that had caused the departure of the players. It is/was their own choice to do so, and we respect this.

[Scars]

Honestly guys, I don't understand you. Instead of working together, you're fighting without a reason and without a purpose. We should be united as a community, giving our best finding solutions for getting back to life the SA:MP division.

If someone would put me to choose between RS4.1 and RS5 I would surely choose RS4.1.

RS4.1 was perfect, original and easy to play.. thats why we all liked it. But bringing RS4.1 is not A SOLUTION. Forget about it.

But there is still an opportunity to make a twin of RS4.1. So, my idea is: Removing everything which is complicated(here you should ask players opinions), such as: wallet/phone system, mechanic job(at least for now) and everything similar to this. Try to resemble it with RS4.1.

Also creating more jobs: such as farmer, trucker and so on. There should be more opportunities to earn money instead of the fireman job.

A message to community leaders: Do not waste the time, you've been choosed for this job for something. Start doing something since you're one who can start "the recovery".

[Pingster]

I haven't a clue what you have been reading but no where did Gandalf say that the server must be on 200+ players constantly.
He stated that there must be upto 200 unique players per day, as in logging in, not 200 players constantly online.

Did RS4 panel data got all erased as well? I'd love to see a graph of unique logins per day prior to RS5, I know you could check it through the time online feature there (players per page times pages), but idk if you got other means.

'cos I don't think there were 200 unique logins or had been for a while (not consistently anyway), so that challenge is ehhh quite a reach

[Teddy]

He isn't wrong. I'm one of the former developers of RS5 and I don't like somethings but unlike some of you who are... loosing your shit and going mental all of the forums needs to stop.

You wanna make a suggestion; be constructive or get lost. At this point I'm gonna start moderating this the way it should have been. Nonconstructive, defamation, flaming, provoking, etc. will be resulted in immediate 5% warning level, removal of post.

I've suggested it and done it myself. I found what I don't like and I suggested change with reason, facts, and alternative.

Exhibit A;
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103772.0
Exhibit B:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103773.0

 RS4 IS NOT COMING BACK. Get that in your tiny brains.

[Teddy]

Did RS4 panel data got all erased as well?

The whole server's data got erased...

[Jeremy.]

At some points I totally agree with him. There are lots of ideas which can be implemented; such as removing the shitload amount of state cars to give the taxi duty an opportunity (just an example). But the main question is - .. who is going to do that? Actually I don't see anyone interested in doing it.

There have been huge mistakes in RS5 that made the amount of players to decrease. One of them is removing all the assets of the official groups. I mean, put yourself in the leaders place for a moment. How would you react? I have been in Gvardia for a long time and I know very well how the struggled for getting these properties. It's not just about Gvardia, it's about for every official group in RS4.1. I find it unfair and also disrespectful against the groups who kept the server alive.

But ehm, you could come up with an idea such as giving the official groups a chance of choosing five properties from RS4.1. But as I said, that's just one of the reasons why the server is falling down.

[Rusty]

At some points I totally agree with him. There are lots of ideas which can be implemented; such as removing the shitload amount of state cars to give the taxi duty an opportunity (just an example). But the main question is - .. who is going to do that? Actually I don't see anyone interested in doing it.

Taxi duty was never a job to make a good amount of cash from, it's weak and petty compared to the others.  Only time you did make anything worthwhile was when your fare tipped you extra.
State cars are good for newer players getting around, I'd hate to spawn in and have to run for 10 minutes to find a vehicle.  Maybe impose some kind of rental system at the airports where players can rent state vehicles? That way a abundant amount of state vehicles could be removed to path way for driver duty to have more of a purpose.

There have been huge mistakes in RS5 that made the amount of players to decrease. One of them is removing all the assets of the official groups. I mean, put yourself in the leaders place for a moment. How would you react? I have been in Gvardia for a long time and I know very well how the struggled for getting these properties. It's not just about Gvardia, it's about for every official group in RS4.1. I find it unfair and also disrespectful against the groups who kept the server alive.

But ehm, you could come up with an idea such as giving the official groups a chance of choosing five properties from RS4.1. But as I said, that's just one of the reasons why the server is falling down.

People speculated of a reset for months before RS5 even hit BETA, it was pretty much inevitable everything would be reset.  I suppose the heritage list should come into play here though, those who held properties for a specific amount of time could be handed them back or refunded with a monetary reward?  Server leadership has already given opportunity for HQ's to be re-instated to groups who achieve Official status a HQ that won't ever be removed.  Businesses and what not, sure people worked for them over the years and yes I'd be pissed off but I wouldn't hold a grudge.  I'd shrug my shoulders and get working again, giving up is for the weak.  (not aimed at anyone so don't be jumping to some BS conclusions)

@Developers.
Any ETA on the stores functioning properly, a hefty amount of them you cannot purchase items from only a select few actually work. 

[AK47]

I'd hate to spawn in and have to run for 10 minutes to find a vehicle.

You need to do this now since no cars got fuel 

Maybe impose some kind of rental system at the airports where players can rent state vehicles?

I'd love to see this instead of 501234535 state cars.

[Rusty]

You need to do this now since no cars got fuel 

A easy alternative would be for developers to allow admins access to a command to refill all un-used vehicles.  Other than that, you can bump the bug report about the fuel and hope they tend to it.

[Conk]

The whole server's data got erased...

<Nonsense removed> - Devin

[Manoni]

<Nonsense removed> - Devin

That's a strong accusation. Please, tell us how are you sure that this happened on purpose? because whithout giving a reasonable explanation, what i can only see is you spreading random/false rumors.

[Rusty]

Well since someone removed my post I'll post it again.

Players won't get RS4 - SA:MP won't get players, it's very obvious.

Then the server will continue to have a low population, RS5 fiasco really has shown what this community is like.  No-one gives a f**k about time and effort spent by the devs and they certainly don't wish to try improve something they don't like.

Yup. Just sad they don't care.

What's more sad is how the way people have acted over RS5.  It's a disgrace, you wonder why they don't care?

[JDC]

Yup. Just sad they don't care.

Bullshit. The developers are already asking for solutions and constructive input, except people like yourself are too busy bitching instead of lifting a finger to help solve the problems.

Now how many more useless posts filled with moaning and empty of anything even remotely close to a solution will you spam this forum with?