Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Mr. Goobii]

I can script, hire me dudes!

[Kaze]

Hold on now. At any time now, someone might walk by with a pocket full of money to bring back RS4

Let's get real? At the end of the day, we all know RS5 is staying which makes any RS4 VS. RS5 topics nothing but pointless. Have fun discussing, though

Oh how grateful of them to donate their real life finances in order to recover the better game mode out of the two.

[Marcel]

I can script, hire me dudes!

Same here. Every helping hand has been turned down so far.

[Brandon.]

Argonath rpg is dying off slow just as the Lord of the ring Trilogy.

[ClazzyJogel]

Same here. Every helping hand has been turned down so far.

Apparently Gandalf is inactive, so without him, developing wont speed up any more then there already is.

[JDC]

I can script, hire me dudes!

Same here. Every helping hand has been turned down so far.

If I remember correctly, management of SA:MP RPG scripters and developers is currently under the jurisdiction of xcasio. (in the absence of Gandalf)

Yet, remember also that the ability to script is not the only factor in selecting a dev, just as the ability to use /warn /kick /ban is not the only factor in selecting an admin.


RS5 is an innovative system with a flawed implementation. Once the flaws are removed and the implementation smoothened, then the system can shine at its full potential.

For those who are asking for a return to RS4 (you just don't get it, do you), if you still do not understand why it is not coming back, let's have a little recap of some of the reasons:

1. RS5 is the result of years of developers' hard work (and player ideas), with zero compensation. (don't dispute this point if you have not stepped in the shoes of an Argonath admin/dev)

2. RS4 being returned would be a huge "fuck you" to everyone (not just devs) who worked on RS5, and to their work. (don't dispute this point if you know shit-all about what work goes into making a server)

3. RS4 managed to survive for nearly 5 years, but even that is already too long for a single gamemode, which resulted in Argonath lagging in innovation. (don't dispute this point if you do not know what innovations Argonath has produced in the past)

4. RS4 is an outdated gamemode, gameplay-wise (in some aspects) and design-wise, and returning to it would be regression, not progress. (don't dispute this point if you ever accused players like myself of holding back progress)

5. RS4 was written and added to by several developers with widely varying scripting styles and over several years instead of a streamlined base, resulting in poor cohesiveness of design. This makes it hard to maintain and/or update a gamemode. (don't dispute this point if you know shit-all about programming)

6. RS4 has outdated file handling, while RS5's databases would not need any major reset for the next 5-10 years. (don't dispute this point if you know shit-all about how file handling can contribute to a server)

7. RS4 had poor support (if any) for factions, literally one of the most important parts of the playerbase. (don't dispute this point if you know shit-all what support groups are / can receive in RS5)

8. RS4 had to give way to RS5 earlier than planned due to circumstances outside of the devs' control, the alternative would have been making players suffer two losses instead of only one. (don't dispute this point if you can't read News and Announcements or update yourself on current affairs properly)

9. RS4, gameplay-wise, was poor at balancing some aspects of the gameplay that went out of control. (i.e: economy, if there was actually one) RS5, meanwhile, has the potential to make needed corrections and changes due to its idea framework.

10. No one stepped up to Gandalf's challenge. Moaners are all talk and quick to point fingers, but no action when they are challenged to do something. In case you are wondering why paying for a second server would be justifiable, remember the nine reasons stated above for RS5's implementation in the first server.

If that is still not understandable enough for you, I would explain it in simple english. Except that due to the persistence of moaners, I couldn't be arsed; just copy-paste it to Wikipedia and ask someone to create a Simple Wikipedia version.

RS5 is here, and it is here to stay. The problem with moaners is that they will moan regardless of the scenario, regardless of what changers developers (do not) implement. Argonath developers do their work for those who will stay and remain loyal to this community, not those who will leave. It's not about arrogance, but knowing how to adapt to changes and having a little fucking gratitude in your bones.

The scripts need change and fixing. But if there is one more thing that needs fixing, it is the f**ked-up mentality of some players who are quick to moan and shit on anyone who does not agree with their self-gain based attitude: the problem that caused some aspects of this community to go downhill after the 2009-2011 years.

If you will accuse me or other "pro-RS5" players of asslicking, then you can take your accusation and shove it up where the sun doesn't shine. I myself am a critic of RS5's implementation. But unlike some others, I am one of those who actually know how to genuinely respect and appreciate the effort that people put into this community to make your gameplay possible.

Now if you do not bother to contribute to this community and its improvement, you have no right to complain about what will (not) happen. Step up, or shut up.

[Kingston]

[Slavik]

 

[Lustigkurre]

So all you can do is to sit on your asses until Gandalf is back from wherever he is? Take your own decisions for once. Developers/scripters, talk with eachother about ideas and make something happen before the interest in the server is completly gone.

[Devin]

Take your own decisions for once. Developers/scripters, talk with eachother about ideas and make something happen before the interest in the server is completly gone.

Tried to no avail. 

[JDC]

So all you can do is to sit on your asses until Gandalf is back from wherever he is? Take your own decisions for once. Developers/scripters, talk with eachother about ideas and make something happen before the interest in the server is completly gone.

Devin is doing everything he can, but the development team has their own management. Jones and Conroy are working hard though, from what I know.

In the meantime, please see his Thoughts and Suggestions topic in this board.

We can do so much, but there are limits too. Although even non-staff can contribute; Project:ARISE, which I started, has already launched two events which generated more fun for players (as regular events disappeared post-RS4) and is set to launch many more. You were there. Others can contribute in their own way too.

SA:MP RPG is not the only one waiting on Gandalf; SA:MP Stunt is literally frozen to death until he returns.

[Marcel]

SA:MP RPG is not the only one waiting on Gandalf; SA:MP Stunt is literally frozen to death until he returns.

And yet it was magically running perfectly on my host without ANY downtime for the past 6 months. Since it returned to the main host it has been plagued with downtime. Some people just refuse to be helped.

[Petarda]

I myself am a critic of RS5's implementation. But unlike some others, I am one of those who actually know how to genuinely respect and appreciate the effort that people put into this community to make your gameplay possible.

So you're literally doing them a disservice, telling them that the game mode is good, that they will get players and things like that while knowing that it's pure bullshit.

[JDC]

So you're literally doing them a disservice, telling them that the game mode is good, that they will get players and things like that while knowing that it's pure bullshit.

Pure bullshit? Learn the difference between implementation and design.

A well-designed idea with a poor implementation can shine in the best manner once its implementation is optimized. A poorly-designed idea, on the other hand, will be limited by the basic flaws of its design regardless of how you try to implement it. With good implementation, among those two the former will always shine.

From the way you speak, I won't be surprised if you don't have any of the following:

- Proper project management experience (not just Argo-wise), which includes with the stress of translating a shitload of ideas from paper to carrying them out and making sure that goes smoothly.
- Proper knowledge of programming.
- Proper critical thinking, which includes being able to dissect the matter at hand and analyze it from several perspectives regardless of your personal views.

Of those three, you don't need stellar credentials, or even a formal education for the last one.

Easy for you to sit back and point fingers while you've barely contributed anything (if at all). Now what have you done for this community recently, aside from getting banned for trolling and shitting, pray tell?

[Devin]

Enough e-penis comparisons.

The server definitely needs work and there's no denying the fact that things must change to make it more welcoming to players.