Cops versus cops?

[Que]

Not really the kind of guy who bothers about people doing this or that in the server, but obviously, I got pretty frustrated/irritated by the fact that almost 70-80% of the server are cops at the moment. Let's add when not being cops, 70% of the server are more likely firemen.





I understand that people need money to get them where they want, but by being a cop you slightly even make a profit out of the work you put up. I know right - being a criminal or a civilian is a hard time to get anywhere, but come on, you see a suspect once in 20 minutes and you got 3 helicopters, 45 cop cars and some bikes after him. It looks hilarious and I can't figure out why everyone would like to participate.. Some sort of lack of creativity? A good sign that the criminal "side" needs a pretty major boost? Set cop limit based on the players online? You tell me. I just know that this is not leading to anything good having 70-80% of the server doing ONE THING. Won't benefit the development of the server at all. Argonath has always had lots of cops but this is ridiculous. Just look at the radar at this last picture.. You obviously cannot play (for me like 30 mins) without getting pullover'd twice.



Use the fantasy of yours. Contribute. Would be pretty neat to see some variation.

[Que]

Let me add that we, as a street gang is having a hard time even getting shit roleplayed because of cops being all around us at all times. I love to see guys trying their hardest but it is being much more of a pain in the ass than a positive thing right now. In every scenario, having multiple cases of cops pulling you over is obviously extremely boring and one sided if not even worse.

We rarely have other gangs to have as rivals because.. there's no other gangs? 

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

I'm not aware of any obvious reason for the surplus of cops. There's definitely no money to be made and fairly little roleplay as well. I'm not sure if being a criminal is just so unrewarding that people are turning to being cops? I suppose there's a lot more new players that are coming in and I guess they all just want to be cops, I'm not really sure. I see it as a problem as well and it's no fun for the cops either.


My guess is that being a criminal sucks so much that they turn to being a cop??

[zipp3r]

I totally agree with you, Que. Whenever I join the server, 70% percent of the players are cops and that's really irritating. Also, whenever I'm in the LS, there's always a cop who is trying to pull me over for a stupid reasons or trying to suspect me for something... As Que said, this ridiculous amount of cops is stopping the character/faction development and the server development itself. Criminals can't develop their character successfully if there are cops around them 24/7.
This problem should be prevented and solved as soon as possible.

[.Ganton.]

Word 

[Solis]

Let me add that we, as a street gang is having a hard time even getting shit roleplayed because of cops being all around us at all times. I love to see guys trying their hardest but it is being much more of a pain in the ass than a positive thing right now. In every scenario, having multiple cases of cops pulling you over is obviously extremely boring and one sided if not even worse.

We rarely have other gangs to have as rivals because.. there's no other gangs? 

Basically, we were trying to get as many members online today as possible, and start up some RP scenarios. But of course, the cops decided that that should not happen. Because it seems that more than two white dots being less than 20 meters away from each other is a code purple that needs the entire SAPD force being sent to check it out, as can be seen on the radar image that Que posted.

Alas, in less than about an hour or two the group got pestered about 7-8 times in total, in all of them with the officers trying to find whatever excuse to pull us over and get us into trouble with their just-invented situations.

Then a couple of Corleones and a Clay Dixon decided to drop by and start shooting everyone for no reason at all, and that's where it ended.

It is truly sad because us, as criminals, are forced to either accept the heavily one-sided and repetitive role-play from the police officers, or either:

• Get suspected and pepper-sprayed to death while having our local chat spammed with "gu".
• Get suspected and mowed down by bullets, if we evade.
• Live up with the guilt of refusing to role-play with other people.

At the end of the day we couldn't even get anything done because police officers always shoved their one-sided role-play down our throats. I appreciate them for at least RPing, but it was a f**king boring torture.

I'm not aware of any obvious reason for the surplus of cops. There's definitely no money to be made and fairly little roleplay as well. I'm not sure if being a criminal is just so unrewarding that people are turning to being cops? I suppose there's a lot more new players that are coming in and I guess they all just want to be cops, I'm not really sure. I see it as a problem as well and it's no fun for the cops either.


My guess is that being a criminal sucks so much that they turn to being a cop??

There isn't a surplus of cops, there's a deficit of criminals. There's really no incentive for people to be a criminal or a normal civilian, except for being in a faction. It's pretty hard to get any money at all right now. It has gotten better in the past month or two but it still needs fixing. Then things like above happen. All of which ends in 75% of the server being police officers, the other 25% firemen.

[Que]

Basically, we were trying to get as many members online today as possible, and start up some RP scenarios. But of course, the cops decided that that should not happen. Because it seems that more than two white dots being less than 20 meters away from each other is a code purple that needs the entire SAPD force being sent to check it out, as can be seen on the radar image that Que posted.

Alas, in less than about an hour or two the group got pestered about 7-8 times in total, in all of them with the officers trying to find whatever excuse to pull us over and get us into trouble with their just-invented situations.

Then a couple of Corleones and a Clay Dixon decided to drop by and start shooting everyone for no reason at all, and that's where it ended.

It is truly sad because us, as criminals, are forced to either accept the heavily one-sided and repetitive role-play from the police officers, or either:

• Get suspected and pepper-sprayed to death while having our local chat spammed with "gu".
• Get suspected and mowed down by bullets, if we evade.
• Live up with the guilt of refusing to role-play with other people.

At the end of the day we couldn't even get anything done because police officers always shoved their one-sided role-play down our throats. I appreciate them for at least RPing, but it was a f**king boring torture.

Greatly written.

[Vladislav]

There isn't a surplus of cops, there's a deficit of criminals. There's really no incentive for people to be a criminal or a normal civilian, except for being in a faction. It's pretty hard to get any money at all right now. It has gotten better in the past month or two but it still needs fixing. Then things like above happen. All of which ends in 75% of the server being police officers, the other 25% firemen.

This.

When so many players on the server are cops the lack of communication and organisation between them becomes extremely frustrating. There are those that will work in a unit and actually try to integrate with civilians/criminals in a proper RP manner, but then there's those that would rather go rogue and headhunt anyone that isn't a blue-blip.

It leaves very little room for development when cops storm in on you and give you no choice but to follow their generic one-sided RP scenario where you /gu and wait to be cuffed or try to evade and have like 20 units chasing after you. It just becomes a repetitive cycle where you find yourself in jail all the time, on the run or in a massive shootout. I find the latter so often happens because of the lack of organisation too; because of the shear number of cops at the scene, the first instance of miscommunication from either side means all hell breaks loose.

[Petarda]

This.

When so many players on the server are cops the lack of communication and organisation between them becomes extremely frustrating. There are those that will work in a unit and actually try to integrate with civilians/criminals in a proper RP manner, but then there's those that would rather go rogue and headhunt anyone that isn't a blue-blip.

Exactly, when many of them are on they usually see other cops as "opponents". Whenever someone pulls you over, after 3 minutes you see 3 more cars coming to you, and what's even more frustrating, if you do any little "mistake" while you're pulled over, in example you say that you won't turn of the engine, all of them go out of their cars, circle you, aim at you and shout at you.

I understand that everyone wants to get a chance to participate in roleplay, but this is going off limits.

If application system can't be added at least issue harder punishment on their mistakes. I usually give up after committing a crime, but I get shot to 10 hp while I type /gu (and I type that in less than 1 second).

[Kaze]

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?board=126.0

This server has always been anti-criminal but its time we do something about it. (and im not up for arguing stop quoting this and giving me bullshit)

In the link above, I have found a efficient solution which will minimize the amount of cops in game.

[TheGreasyChopper]

 There really should be a limit. It's awfully hard to do anything around without having 3-4 PD units pointing their guns at the entrance of the house/bizz a criminal is in, without responding or showing any signs of will to Roleplay.
 Kaze's idea about shifts should be implied somehow. This whole current situation is something that shows the bright side of jurisdictions(If only cops stayed in theirs). Perhaps I should give an example. A few days ago I was going to my bar only to see it swarmed by cops. I went to 5 different one of them, addressing them one by one, asking what's going on. Had no responce or whatsoever. I went inside the bar, started talking with the people inside, bought a drink and all. And while in the middle of typing out a /me, the cops suddenly stormed in and started shooting. Imagine 7 officers inside an interior, shooting at a single suspect without even a /s[1-3] macro being used. I was hit a bunch of times in the crossfire(I did not pull a gun or anything, I was just there). Roleplayed injures and shotwounds. The civilians at the bar rushed to my aid, while cops just went off and dissapeared. I went out of the boundries of realistic roleplay and exited, to seek help from the officers. They simply ignored me and went off.
 If there's gonna be so much cops, atleast have them roleplay or respond to non-orange people. Having a cop at your ass 24/7 suspecthunting and waiting for the most simple and stupid reason to suspect you(If it wasn't for an admin, my group were this close to get suspected for not wearing helmets on bikes), is simply stupid. I've got an idea how to increase people off duty who wish to earn money, but I'll suggest it once I'm back home.

[Manoni]

Even being part of law organization I've been noticing this.
I agree with everything that it has been said from the criminal side, it can be very annoying to get the cops on their asses every 5 minutes, even if some of them go with intentions of roleplaying, with time, it justs turns into a repetitive scene of conversation regarding a possible disturbance of the peace or in the worst cases into a /su, chase, kill, money, C4.

Now from the "blue" side, I've seen some cops competing to catch the low amount of suspects we are having in the server, I even can see the same person suspected two or three times at least in less than an hour. On the other hand we have the bunch who roleplays and make their duties properly while having fun for it. But gentlemens, there's many people doing the same thing all day... You are not going to get fired for being off duty one day, da few hours, one hour at least. There's plenty enough people to handle the small percent of criminalism that the city is having. In fact, there's more than the needed and sometimes all those that are not really needed aren't doing nothing; I had the sad chance to be one of them a few times and I admit that it can be very boring! We supossely go "on duty" and there are no much duties to fulfill, we are there to serve and protect but no one needs protection because everyone is a cop.

We really need to reduce the number of law units we are having per day, we need to get an equitative playerbase in the server, it's fair and necessary, let's do something about it, please.

[Thomas R]

Alas, in less than about an hour or two the group got pestered about 7-8 times in total, in all of them with the officers trying to find whatever excuse to pull us over and get us into trouble with their just-invented situations.

It is truly sad because us, as criminals, are forced to either accept the heavily one-sided and repetitive role-play from the police officers, or either:

• Get suspected and pepper-sprayed to death while having our local chat spammed with "gu".
• Get suspected and mowed down by bullets, if we evade.
• Live up with the guilt of refusing to role-play with other people.

At the end of the day we couldn't even get anything done because police officers always shoved their one-sided role-play down our throats. I appreciate them for at least RPing, but it was a f**king boring torture.

Exactly.

[Jingle]

Many would agree SAPD is still in a repairing stage, but it's definitely going in the right direction thanks to people who make a difference. To those who are still hesitant and unsure on what is expected of them, this should be seen as a wake up call. Off the record, Argonath players must show some empathy for others: cops or criminals. An invisible contract or agreement between the two for the sake of everyone. Criminals must accept that any changes don't happen overnight and the cops have to seriously acknowledge any non-judgmental advice coming from criminals. It would be great if common decency played a part in many of these: leaving a crime scene if it's already overwhelmed by a big force, giving criminals more breathing room by not becoming alarmed at the slightest gathering of people and calling in a code purple, and not having their need to fill in a patrol report desperately come down to gangbanging all the gangbangers they can find. You see the pattern here.
Unfortunately, the probability this will open the minds of a large portion of the SAPD is low. It is therefore up to the discretion of the SAPD Command (or other stand-up guys like Vince and Leroy) to enforce some of what is being suggested here. We are all part of the solution, be it cops or criminals. Let's get this done and never look back.

[Brian]

Why would you limit someone from doing something you enjoy, you play this game to have fun with your friends and if you are limiting them to doing this why would you even play a game then, a game is here to have fun, to enjoy yourself and to meet up with friends. I do this by going on cop duty and patrol, you may do this by dealing drugs in game. We all have fun this way, yes there may be 70 percent of cops online, and you may 'be camped on' but then just be smart and find a way to out-smart the cops and 'play them around'.