Cops versus cops?

[Solis]

Que sure takes his time to write a single post.

Considering that most of you here keep attacking the same point over and over again rather than taking into consideration the majority of what has been said so far, I took the liberty of stating the most important points in one post.

Then I don't understand what exactly is your point in this thread, or why are you repeating back what everyone else has said.

I actually agree with most of what you wrote in your posts so far, and I'm sure Q and others do too. Obviously this isn't just a problem with cops doing repetitive and one-sided role-plays, many criminals have done the same thing for years which is as much of a nuisance for me as it is for the police officers that want something new. It's almost impossible to RP with them without ending in some cliché scenario (kidnapping, robbery) that will end in a shootout.

I also agree that promoting the current scripted jobs that are left in disarray so people will use them is an important step. I was actually going to post in the "Cops" topic made by Kaze that giving incentives to our current jobs would be a better way of balancing the cop-civilian ratio than outright preventing officers going on duty.

Now that our agreements are settled, there are parts that I don't agree with.

Why do I use that word? Not only because I will tell you what I actually think, but because you're making topics on the forums to complain instead of actually doing something. I don't care if you belong to a certain faction, to SAPD, or to whatever; either way, you are handling this wrong.

Instead of bitching like a princess with a rat up her skirt, propose some damn alternatives that would make other jobs more desirable. (e.g: my idea to subsidize Driver job) Things that would actually make players want to be drivers, mechanics, medics, truckers, and civilians, rather than having them become cops/firemen because those two are the only "complete" jobs on the server.

This is a complete straw-man. Many of the people on this topic are actually doing (or at least) trying to do something as well as proposing alternatives for the script side.

BOTH sides are guilty.

If you want the dynamics between cops and criminals to be more innovative, you must be stupid if you expect one side has to carry all the responsibility for making it happen; crime and law are a two-way street.

As said above, I agree with that, but it seems you're trying to turn this into tu quoque by pointing fingers at the criminals when this topic is about cops. Not that people are expecting them to do all the changes either, but considering the criminal side is the small player now and their leaders have been doing changes for weeks if not months now, it is natural that some more contribution is expected from the SAPD as well.

Not to mention I actually propose instead of merely opposing.

Really? It seems that what you have been doing for years is opposing the proposals other people have been making, then complain that they aren't "doing anything". Or wildly accuse people of not doing anything when they are in fact doing something.

[Manoni]

Not in Mexico.

The things i don't see for being sleeping.

I actually agree with most of what you wrote in your posts so far, and I'm sure Q and others do too. Obviously this isn't just a problem with cops doing repetitive and one-sided role-plays, many criminals have done the same thing for years which is as much of a nuisance for me as it is for the police officers that want something new. It's almost impossible to RP with them without ending in some cliché scenario (kidnapping, robbery) that will end in a shootout.

I also agree that promoting the current scripted jobs that are left in disarray so people will use them is an important step. I was actually going to post in the "Cops" topic made by Kaze that giving incentives to our current jobs would be a better way of balancing the cop-civilian ratio than outright preventing officers going on duty.

I do accept too that most of the law units are not willing to agree to any other unknown type of roleplay due to an obvious fact that i stated above, which is the one that we all know... some "criminals" are just looking someone to shoot and get an orange color on their names (referring this to a bunch of players in general, not to any a group or an specific person).

It has been said before many times that we should look into ways to promote the other scripted jobs, yet I haven't any good and reasonable proposal apart from one than JDC posted some time ago. But even with that, increasing the interest of the other jobs by giving an economic stimulus to make it look equitative to the domitating jobs which are currently fireman and cop duty(not specially for money) what you are only get is a fake look of RP improvement. Of course, you'll see more colors but yet there still going to be people that are just going to roll around the game looking money as fast a possible.

[Astaroth]

I'll be somewhat brutally honest here.

Some people don't clearly understand what ROLEPLAY means. And as this topic is for cops, most peoples goal is to go on duty, catch an orange dot and put it in jail for $500 and that's the thing about it.
I've been roleplaying a criminal since I started playing SAMP, so I kinda got tired of it and I'm trying to make a change, I never knew what it feels like to be on the other side so there I am, trying to build a career and that kind of roleplay interests me now. All though, not many have your or mine opinion, I've been broke, literally with 0$ and enjoyed my time on the server and I've had $20mil, and I have to admit that I pretty much liked the poor side better. Whoever is reading this, whether you have $10m or $10, try roleplaying WHATEVER you like, Argonath is about that after all. If you're rich, try roleplaying a broke gangster, put your money aside and just TRY it. If you're poor, buy a business suit and roleplay a lawyer. MONEY IS NOT the source of fun. Use your brain, try stuff.

Thanks for reading.

[Khm]

EDIT:
This post is me NOT being polite and being honest to everyone, I know it can cause trouble but there's the truth for you.
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I'll be somewhat brutally honest here.

Some people don't clearly understand what ROLEPLAY means. And as this topic is for cops, most peoples goal is to go on duty, catch an orange dot and put it in jail for $500 and that's the thing about it.
I've been roleplaying a criminal since I started playing SAMP, so I kinda got tired of it and I'm trying to make a change, I never knew what it feels like to be on the other side so there I am, trying to build a career and that kind of roleplay interests me now. All though, not many have your or mine opinion, I've been broke, literally with 0$ and enjoyed my time on the server and I've had $20mil, and I have to admit that I pretty much liked the poor side better. Whoever is reading this, whether you have $10m or $10, try roleplaying WHATEVER you like, Argonath is about that after all. If you're rich, try roleplaying a broke gangster, put your money aside and just TRY it. If you're poor, buy a business suit and roleplay a lawyer. MONEY IS NOT the source of fun. Use your brain, try stuff.

Thanks for reading.

I love you. (no homo)

[Astaroth]

I love you too cow. (homo intended)

[Petarda]

Crybabies.

Kids, behave.

Will you...

behave.

?

[Eps_Smalls]

I'll be somewhat brutally honest here.

Some people don't clearly understand what ROLEPLAY means. And as this topic is for cops, most peoples goal is to go on duty, catch an orange dot and put it in jail for $500 and that's the thing about it.
I've been roleplaying a criminal since I started playing SAMP, so I kinda got tired of it and I'm trying to make a change, I never knew what it feels like to be on the other side so there I am, trying to build a career and that kind of roleplay interests me now. All though, not many have your or mine opinion, I've been broke, literally with 0$ and enjoyed my time on the server and I've had $20mil, and I have to admit that I pretty much liked the poor side better. Whoever is reading this, whether you have $10m or $10, try roleplaying WHATEVER you like, Argonath is about that after all. If you're rich, try roleplaying a broke gangster, put your money aside and just TRY it. If you're poor, buy a business suit and roleplay a lawyer. MONEY IS NOT the source of fun. Use your brain, try stuff.

Thanks for reading.

My man.

[CBFasi]

Ok too much to read but a few things...

I agree there are FAR too many cops in relation to other jobs on the server, many of the restrictions I think where placed to discourage police work, well that failed...

Police work I think is the more organized of all the roles you can do and due to this its easy to just do it, yes its not great earning but its already there, it does not take having to setup groups etc.

Can other roles beat this, yes but its going to take players to get organized and not expect it from the scripts, and if you do get organized enough the scripts might end up adjusted to help.

Being a criminal does NOT actually help, cos you just encourage the cops by giving them orange blips to target.

I have been too far removed from RS5 for a while to know what does and does not work, and worse what is supposed to be in but is not.

Help us to help you, and yes I have thought about limiting cops to a set percentage of the server, but only as far as thought, it would caused problems for special events etc..

[Que]

Why would you limit someone from doing something you enjoy, you play this game to have fun with your friends and if you are limiting them to doing this why would you even play a game then, a game is here to have fun, to enjoy yourself and to meet up with friends. I do this by going on cop duty and patrol, you may do this by dealing drugs in game. We all have fun this way, yes there may be 70 percent of cops online, and you may 'be camped on' but then just be smart and find a way to out-smart the cops and 'play them around'.

I never got the chance to reply since I have been working all these hours. What you should take in consideration is that we are also here to enjoy the same game as you are, we are also here to have fun with friends by doing some dope roleplay and some magnificent scenarios. Being "camped on" or having the police being in every scenario is not something that we want. We chose to be criminals because that's what we prefer to do, with that being said I also think you understand that being interrupted at all points by cops is not giving us the amusement we are looking for. If you all want to be cops and eat donuts, chase orange blips, making up some good roleplay and whatnot -  feel free to do so. But this server is way more than just that, and there's also something outside the cop squad, such as the criminals, the civilians and all the other kinds of work that can be roleplayed or is even scripted. If Argonath should be a proper roleplay server, then we need to have more sides working than only one.

This is how it should be. In real life there are more advantages for cops and cops have more power

Trust me, if cops would communicate better, half or more of the current ones wouldn't even be necessary in game.

try to get your friends to open more families, make peace with the other families/gangs

Which gangs? There are two (we are one) gangs in game. What families? There are like a handful who's is active enough. I'm having friends all over the server but it's not like they are going to open something up becuase I tell them to. Obviously this is something that has to be fixed by something more powerful than a few individual voices. All we can do is keep up what we do in game by roleplaying and doing what we're good at. Open a topic like this will start a discussion, which is needed to start the progress of getting stuff changed. Having opinions and swish around arguments.

[Squeak]

crip gang bitch

[KELVIN0110]

You cant be rich on cop duty.

[JDC]

Have not had the opportunity to reply at the soonest as like Que, I have been busy with work.

This is a complete straw-man. Many of the people on this topic are actually doing (or at least) trying to do something as well as proposing alternatives for the script side.

Besides (the majority who are) complaining against cops, I only see a few who are oriented towards an actual useful solution that is focused on increasing the quality of what lacks, rather than dragging down the average quality of the whole by taking away from what doesn't lack.

Think of the problem as a disease. The problem is that many tend to focus on treating the symptoms, rather than also preventing it from recurring in future instances.

As said above, I agree with that, but it seems you're trying to turn this into tu quoque by pointing fingers at the criminals when this topic is about cops. Not that people are expecting them to do all the changes either, but considering the criminal side is the small player now and their leaders have been doing changes for weeks if not months now, it is natural that some more contribution is expected from the SAPD as well.

I am not pointing the finger at the criminals alone. If you understood my post, then you will see that I also blamed cops for the current situation.

As people have been focusing mostly on the cops (from the topic name itself, to the discussion), it would be fair if someone brought up the shortcomings of the criminal side as well; even with the overwhelming number of cops on the server, cop-criminal interactions would still be more creative if criminals as a whole put their efforts into making more creative crimes to deal with.

That being said, both sides are still responsible for the monotony of roleplay on the server.

Really? It seems that what you have been doing for years is opposing the proposals other people have been making, then complain that they aren't "doing anything". Or wildly accuse people of not doing anything when they are in fact doing something.

Perhaps because I actually had the common sense to see that the majority of those proposals would only be detrimental to and/or destroy our server/community in one way or another? Unlike "sheep", I do not prefer to readily accept an idea simply because the majority support it and/or was spoon-fed. Go through this board and implement the majority of proposals here into a server, and you will have an unfathomable mess.

The act of making a proposal itself with a good intention in mind is not wrong. However, making such a proposal in a way that it would only mess things up even more turns the act as a whole into something that would damage, rather than improve.


Once again, the best way to solve this problem is to address the root cause of why players gravitate toward cop duty; the lack of motivation in the other jobs. As such, the best solution is to increase the quality of the other jobs, rather than to degrade the "adequate" jobs or add more new jobs when we have not solved the issues with our current set.

If you want to help the community, think of ways to improve on what currently lacks. Think of ways to make the other jobs better.

[Orel]

I never got the chance to reply since I have been working all these hours. What you should take in consideration is that we are also here to enjoy the same game as you are, we are also here to have fun with friends by doing some dope roleplay and some magnificent scenarios. Being "camped on" or having the police being in every scenario is not something that we want. We chose to be criminals because that's what we prefer to do, with that being said I also think you understand that being interrupted at all points by cops is not giving us the amusement we are looking for. If you all want to be cops and eat donuts, chase orange blips, making up some good roleplay and whatnot -  feel free to do so. But this server is way more than just that, and there's also something outside the cop squad, such as the criminals, the civilians and all the other kinds of work that can be roleplayed or is even scripted. If Argonath should be a proper roleplay server, then we need to have more sides working than only one.
Trust me, if cops would communicate better, half or more of the current ones wouldn't even be necessary in game.
Which gangs? There are two (we are one) gangs in game. What families? There are like a handful who's is active enough. I'm having friends all over the server but it's not like they are going to open something up becuase I tell them to. Obviously this is something that has to be fixed by something more powerful than a few individual voices. All we can do is keep up what we do in game by roleplaying and doing what we're good at. Open a topic like this will start a discussion, which is needed to start the progress of getting stuff changed. Having opinions and swish around arguments.

I said I don't think the current system is exelent, cops are communicating as much as we can but not all of the cops are skilled and know how to communicate well, some of them are new players that just want to earn some cash by being on cop duty..
I personally think that everyone who wants to be a cop should make an application on the ARPD forums and then we test him and see if he is good enough but of course that wont happen since its against argo vision..

[Que]

I personally think that everyone who wants to be a cop should make an application on the ARPD forums and then we test him and see if he is good enough but of course that wont happen since its against argo vision..

Yes, this will prevent stuff like what you mentioned above.

If you want to help the community, think of ways to improve on what currently lacks. Think of ways to make the other jobs better.

Making the criminal side a lot better would be a good step. Such as fixing the drug script to another level. An idea will be posted later on today.