Cops versus cops?

[Leroy]

I appreciate how you understand the situation. I cant stop people from becoming cops but there has to be a way to make this fair for both parties. Would you be happy if we could, on a temporarily basis, introduce the shift system and/or removal of the dots on the mini map.

I know this is a problem, but I'm not sure if a shift system would be suitable, especially against the vision of the community and so forth. I cannot help with this either, even if I wanted to, but it could be suggested - but again, I doubt it'll become permissible.

Removing dots, is another issue I can see the higher ups may have a lot of issues with. I think this situation will just require a lot of patience and help from the playerbase so the scripting team can get through these rough times. In my honest opinion, more scripters could be useful, then make sub teams that handle certain scripts, so that everything remains consistent. I certainly would be interested by such a team effort.

[Eps_Smalls]

Check out all my posts of my account "Khm" on ARPD forum then. It's not my fault if their team-mates state that they witnessed everything and go against the reporter for just f**king asslicking or the mist known reason "he's my friend" or "I cant go against my RL friend". They will instead shit on you and f**k you around with any random reason as suspection. It's a waste of time to go to play 10mins and spend more than hour on an investigation 4times in a day.

My man.

[Mark_DeCaval]

People that used to be cops before are still cops(like it or not we are the biggest community inisde this community) and since joining the force is right now really easy thing than there is just more and more of officers.

[ClazzyJogel]

Check out all my posts of my account "Khm" on ARPD forum then. It's not my fault if their team-mates state that they witnessed everything and go against the reporter for just f**king asslicking or the mist known reason "he's my friend" or "I cant go against my RL friend". They will instead shit on you and f**k you around with any random reason as suspection. It's a waste of time to go to play 10mins and spend more than hour on an investigation 4times in a day.

Truth has been spoken.
This is a fucking game, and there are too many loop holes where one can abuse.
We spend more time on forums, gathering chatlogs, screenshots to get the sinners then actually enjoying the game.
As fucking ridiculous as it sounds, its true.

[Mark_DeCaval]

So we go on forum and complain about it.

[Orel]

This is how it should be. In real life there are more advantages for cops and cops have more power, I agree the current system is not perfect but opening topics won't really change anything, try to get your friends to open more families, make peace with the other families/gangs and work together and don't forget whenever a cop is breaking any ARPD rule you can screenshot and report him at the ARPD forums.

[ClazzyJogel]

This is how it should be. In real life there are more advantages for cops and cops have more power.

Not in Mexico.

[JDC]

Crybabies.

Why do I use that word? Not only because I will tell you what I actually think, but because you're making topics on the forums to complain instead of actually doing something. I don't care if you belong to a certain faction, to SAPD, or to whatever; either way, you are handling this wrong.

You'll probably answer with "but we tried and nothing happens" or some other bullshit targeted at the administration and / or SAPD command for their alleged inability to take care of the situations. But what you failed to do is consider the other side.

You say that cop RP is basically mostly "207 at blah blah blah, please blah blah". But let's look at the bigger picture: have criminals been creative in their actions recently? No. (at least for the vast majority; just as there are "good cops", there are "good criminals") Being active in RS5 (as cop and fireman), most crime I have seen was either copbait, aiding, kidnapping, or a bunch of cars surrounding your cruiser.

What happened to the crimes such as fraud, extortion (kidnap-for-ransom not counted), intimidation, blackmail, proper assassination, drug smuggling, et cetera? If what cops have been doing is repetitive and boring, then you can say the same for what the criminals have done so far. BOTH sides are guilty.

If you want the dynamics between cops and criminals to be more innovative, you must be stupid if you expect one side has to carry all the responsibility for making it happen; crime and law are a two-way street.

Now let's address the problem at the source: the script itself. Instead of bitching like a princess with a rat up her skirt, propose some damn alternatives that would make other jobs more desirable. (e.g: my idea to subsidize Driver job) Things that would actually make players want to be drivers, mechanics, medics, truckers, and civilians, rather than having them become cops/firemen because those two are the only "complete" jobs on the server.

The problem with your solution: instead of trying to add to what lacks, you try and take away from what actually doesn't. That is where you fail.

Think about it.

[Que]

This was about the amount of cops online at the same time. Not about cops DMing. Some should remind themselves.

And of course,  a topic is not one before JDC starts with his defend shield, throwing it all around. You if any are not contributing.

[JDC]

This was about the amount of cops online at the same time. Not about cops DMing. Some should remind themselves.

The way the majority have discussed the topic at hand has rendered those two ideas virtually inseparable.

And of course,  a topic is not one before JDC starts with his defend shield, throwing it all around.

Do you have some kind of useful data or argument to contribute instead of throwing ad hominem attacks at me, instead of actually debunking my post?

You if any are not contributing.

I was here through the darkest times of RS5's release,  unlike most of you who rode the bandwagon of those who came after Devin made things a little better. Not to mention I actually propose instead of merely opposing. You don't want to enter that topic, so let's keep it out of here.

[Brian]

Can you both please stop the personal attacks and keep on point, no need to call people a cry-baby because they made a idea, nor any reason to say someone is not contributing, since everyone is.

This topic was made because some people had a issue, as a community we are here to solve this issue, together.

[Solis]

Tell us something that hasn't already been said or done in this thread, JDC.

[Stivi]

What happened to the crimes such as fraud, extortion (kidnap-for-ransom not counted), intimidation, blackmail, proper assassination, drug smuggling, et cetera? If what cops have been doing is repetitive and boring, then you can say the same for what the criminals have done so far. BOTH sides are guilty.

Those thing should remain private. Not saying they usually happen and no one knows about it, but, there is nothing to gain from it. When the profit is 0, people simple lose interest, as right now, everyone is trying to get back on its feet.
 All I've done so far is basically dealing. I've only managed to make one successful deal, which resulted in $84 win for me, and the seller probably won nothing.

[JDC]

Can you both please stop the personal attacks and keep on point, no need to call people a cry-baby because they made a idea, nor any reason to say someone is not contributing, since everyone is.

This topic was made because some people had a issue, as a community we are here to solve this issue, together.

I am on point and stating the facts, thank you.

If people complain only to throw a fit when told that their approach in complaining is flawed, as well as how they can improve their case, then they should reconsider their methods.

I will reiterate the main point: the focus should be on adding to / fixing jobs that "lack", instead of restricting those that "don't lack". To use the latter method would only drag down the average quality of everything, which frankly speaking is one f**king mediocre approach.

Tell us something that hasn't already been said or done in this thread, JDC.

Considering that most of you here keep attacking the same point over and over again rather than taking into consideration the majority of what has been said so far, I took the liberty of stating the most important points in one post.

Those thing should remain private. Not saying they usually happen and no one knows about it, but, there is nothing to gain from it. When the profit is 0, people simple lose interest, as right now, everyone is trying to get back on its feet.
 All I've done so far is basically dealing. I've only managed to make one successful deal, which resulted in $84 win for me, and the seller probably won nothing.

Then the best solution is to find ways to restore that field. We cannot just leave everything to the developers.

You're a criminal, and one in a group of experienced criminals. Think. What can be done to make sure that such crimes will actually have tangible benefits?

[Leon.]

@JDC - nobody will listen to you if you start what you're going to say to them with "crybabies."
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The OVERWHELMING percentage of police on the server's most devastating effect is the lack of a neutral civilian side - it's not like criminals can't handle some silly grabastic disorganized police that home in on orange dots like worker bees.

Those who seem to not mind the cop percentage seem to overlook this effect that having so many police has. They only seem to notice that criminals suffer. This is hardly suffering for criminals, because as criminals we've strived through even the toughest of times, some through tougher times than others. I am more concerned for the civilian class that still seems to be severely lacking despite one of the main points of RS5 being to fix the cop-criminal divide.