Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[Cofiliano]

1.This topic isn't directed to SAPD/FBI/ or any other cop unit on Argonath.
2. This topic isn't directed to Admin team, cause they are reaching verdict as they were told, and just doing their job
    3.This topic isnt about 'cops vs criminals' hate/annoyance between them, or anything similiar.
    4. This topic isn't a complain topic, nor a moaning topic.

Now that you fully read and fully understood this, lets continue:

-For a few years now, we're playing in a atmosphere where, when ever a guy on duty does a classic anti-server rulebreak, you get a msg "Report him on SAPD forum".

Many Dmers and Abusers, use /duty to be able to continue doing what they were doing always, cause they know that while being on duty they wont get harsh punishment, like they are civlians/criminals.

Going on cop duty has become a 'safe zone' for everyone to do what ever the f**k he wants, cause the hardest thing that can happen to him is getting /copban or 'verbal warning'.

For Dming 5 people out of no where, a regular civilian gets instant Ban, for doing the same thing a known cop abuser by admins, gets a 'verbal warning'.

For abusing their rights and randomly suspecting people for the troll, you report them and you find an answer 'report him on SAPD' and '/gu and have investigation'.
Ye let the victim of an abuse gets annoyed around, pulling him to PD and having a 20 minutes minimum investigation, while the abusers just goes on doing what ever he wants. So instead of admins investigating the abuser, the victim must get investigated. Ofc that never ends up in a punishment for the cop harder then a copban for few hours/days.

WELL GENTS, ABUSE OF SCRIPT TO HARASS PEOPLE, IS ABUSE OF SCRIPT, ITS ONE OF THE HARDEST RULEBREAKING IT SHOULD NOT END UP IN SAPD FORUMS CAUSE THAT'S NOT THE ADMIN TEAM ADDRESS, AND IT SHOULD NOT END UP WITH A POSSIBLE COP BAN OF FEW HOURS/DAYS, YET A BAN OF FEW WEEKS LETS SAY.


"Report him on SAPD forum"- Admins are saying this to us, when ever a cop breaks any rule or law. This has ran out of its course and has no real effect, If admins can investigate all reports considering any potential Dming, and general rulebreaking done by civlians criminals, then they should be the one who's gonna investigate cops Dming as well.

OR IF YOU THINK IM WRONG AND YOUR RIGHT, THEN FROM NOW ON WHEN EVER A CORLEONE DMs AND RULEBREAK, PLEASE REPORT HIM ON  CORLEONE FORUM, AND DO NOT TAKE ANY ADMIN ACTION AGAINST HIM, CAUSE HECK, HE'S REPORTED TO THE CORLEONE FORUM.

WHY DO THIS? CAUSE CORLEONE ARE AN OFFICAL GROUP AS MUCH AS SAPD, WHICH MEANS THEY GOT SAME RIGHTS.

Can you really think of what would happen if this 'report to Corleone forum' would be forced in game, when ever you report one member for a rulebreak?
That's how people on /duty are semi-protected by the admins right now, and that's what we face everyday.

Being on /duty has turned into being able to break the rules and get away with it, while other civilians gets ban for it.

Going on /duty gives IMMUNITY for most of the server rules, Dming, abuse of script, carjacking, carkilling, carsurfing, etc.


And if you are thinking :"OH look at this Coffee guy writing an essay of critics" please ask yourself and give a FAIR answer to yourself:

When did you last time saw a cop getting /tempban or /ban for Dming?

 I know people who plays Argonath for more then 2 years who never saw that, yet they experience cops Dming everyday.


I want to hear HQ, Developers, and Manager opinion about this, and what are they gonna do, to stop rulebreakers getting away with none or  ridiculously  small punishments


Once again, this isn't directed to the SAPD/FBI etc, this is directed to some individuals who are abusing the /duty to break many rules everyday for years, without getting any serious punishment then a 'verbal warning', cause the admins was told that in those situations they should repeat "Report on SAPD froum".

[luckyluke98]

Nice Topic!

[.James]

Criminals should get banned from cop duty.
They can get police ranks if they are willing to be legal and not to rulebreak.

Calm down, Cofiliano, we all suffer from that.

[KelviNC]

First of all, calm down. However, I agree with him that what he said. When any criminal DM'es he straight aways gets a kick/warn. When a cop DM'es anyone (newbie) and the criminal reports him to the admins, they are asked to report them on the forums.

[luckyluke98]

Cofiliano I totaly Agree with u !

[Cyril]

I'm sure you will find all your answers there: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89083.0

[Axison]

I truly agree with Cofiliano, this was always a problem but we get nothing besides "report him to SAPD forums".

[Cofiliano]

Criminals should get banned from cop duty.
They can get police ranks if they are willing to be legal and not to rulebreak.
Calm down, Cofiliano, we all suffer from that.

I agree on that, but its not just among criminal that you have Dmers. For instance yesterday Dming was by a cop on duty who has no criminal history, yet he Dmed 6 people. And he's not a new player.

I'm sure you will find all your answers there: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89083.0

I remember a time, back in 2008/09 when cops actually did get hard punished for Dming. The topic you gave does not answer my question.

What are you and the rest of HQ gonna do about it ?

Lets hear some real suggestions, and ideas to be implemented and followed. Cause it passed like 2 years since the topic you posted happen Cyril, and things only got even worst.

Ps- Dont worry guys, I am calm, just speaking in the way someone will finally take the courage to take the responsibility and change things.

[Rusty]

Every person who goes on duty falls under SAPD as one, why do we tell you to report them on the ARPD Forum?  Because that's where you report cops who display mis-conduct on duty.  Mis-conduct would be - Failing to read miranda rights, unlawful detainment, assault and even corruption.  Cops who blatantly deathmatch should be handled by server staff members not SAPD, if we had to handle cops who went around killing for no reason we'd be up to our necks in reports day-in day-out.  Same applies to those abusing /su that's script abuse and should be dealt by server staff even though SAPD Command members handle it at times as-well. 

Many of the cops who play are part-timers who do it to make extra cash by any means or dicking around to avoid being suspected.  I've seen plenty cops being given more than your standard talking to, cops aren't protected by anyone if they break rules then they get punished all the same and if that's not the case then maybe someone needs to look at this.

[Hevar.]

Cofi for president!!


So true words =)

[Malik.]

if we had to handle cops who went around killing for no reason we'd be up to our necks in reports day-in day-out. 

Isn't this what you were applying for when you posted a admin application? To look into reports from players who feel (in this case) abused. Not saying you should give all your time in it but this is your admin duty, right?

[Talya_taya]

Well written Cofiliano, I would also like to state that this is more than just a SA:MP issue, I guess all servers (at least IV:MP also) have the same issue, players are not treated fair, and while civilian and criminals once breach (even accidentally) faces mostly with permanent ban or such punishments like that, meanwhile a cop can max can be copbanned, no matter how experienced they are.

[Rusty]

Isn't this what you were applying for when you posted a admin application? To look into reports from players who feel (in this case) abused. Not saying you should give all your time in it but this is your admin duty, right?

If you actually read and understood what I posted you'd see that "we" referred to SAPD Command.

[Que]

Yeah, as much as I was agreeing to my own topic a week back or so, I am backing you up on this as well. Just had a case with a pure nutshell who should be a leader of a mafia. The dude went abusing us all with pure DM and then left on a NRG as cop. Lovely isn't it. I understand the frustration and it is not even cool for the ones who are trying their best to get this back on its feet.

[Leon.]

It is because criminals are naturally seen as rebels. That vision of rebelliousness carries over when it comes to rules, apparently...
It's funny, we see it in real life, too - the cop will be fired in place of being prosecuted, even in cases of blatant murder.

I'm sure you will find all your answers there: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89083.0

You really have a bad habit with posting topics with long and progressively derailing discussions in place of actual contributions.