Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[Devin]

What was that called again? Yes! Script abuse! And script abuse was bannable the last time I checked the rules! Why the double standarts? I'm starting to get so dissapointed by the people in charge.

I am starting to get disappointed by random ex-players/community members trying to somewhat point the blame towards others.

[Cyril]

What was that called again? Yes! Script abuse! And script abuse was bannable the last time I checked the rules! Why the double standarts? I'm starting to get so dissapointed by the people in charge.

You don't even play RS5, so we don't need opinion of people that are only here to shit on those who work for players.

[Miller786]

Anything that's abused in the context of roleplay is handed in a roleplay way. Abusing scripts out with roleplay is an admin matter. Devin gave a good example.

Sorry for the ancient quote but...
You are wrong, many times ive been punished in a scripted way while i was roleplaying MY CHARACTER and breaking SAPD rules (by roleplaying, i wasnt randomly dming people around or doing other dumb stuff)but some people really dont care about it and just /copban, i mean they dont try to approach you in a RP way like some other people do, i remeber a sergeant back in RS4 that always RPed in those situations, maybe that's why im no longer so active on the server... I no longer get that rp feel that made me spend hundred of hours on the server.
These days i see people getting less harsh punishments for random dm than i recieve in RP situations...

[Huskar]

I started to read the topic but then i stopped i got the point its one more crying topic from you Cofiliano, when you will stop man?


And yes cops are dming of course. Some criminal gets owned and he is like : omg cops dming, omg admins you don't temp ban them bla bla bla. Hold on ! there are procedures, admins can't instant /tempban when they see report without investigating, so please play and damn enjoy and stop moaning for fuck sake.

[JDC]

I will reply to the other "on-topic" arguments later.

But this isn't the main problem, yet that the HQ must find a way to bring back admin punishment toward the individuals who abuses /duty script.

I for one think that a Veteran cop who abuses the duty, should get copbanned for a month at least, and even that is a softer punishment then he should really received and that's a ban for 10-15 days.

And yes , current copban is nothing.

I actually agree here. Copban should be extended proportional to the experience of the officer affected. Furthermore, it should be a separate punishment from anything given (e.g: temporary/permanent demotions) so as to increase the strength of the sanctions.

It'd be pretty much good if you, leaders&managers, choose trusted people of the server (like 6 or 8) to represent the Argonath Players, as I don't see ARUN working at all, and that it's leader is quite inactive.

What would the basis for "trusted people of the server" be? Would it be popularity, such as the amount of votes, a method racked by scandals such as the widespread cheating in Oscars? (hence why majority vote is not a good idea in Argonath)
Would it be the leadership/representation of groups, which is already used for ARUN?
Would it be 100% choice of the HQ, after which you people will complain again that HQ are being biased and accuse the "representatives" of being people who asslicked to get their jobs?

Call me cynical, but knowing the Argonath community, those are the likely outcomes. That's what you people always do.

A player, the managers think that he's good enough to represent us.
ARUN is dead, Devin is the only one I see working, so I came up with this idea, to get some fellows who Devin trust in, to help him and others.

Does ARUN still exist?

As ARUN Adviser, I'll be the first to admit progress has been slow, and in behalf of ARUN I apologize. As of now we are waiting on the ARUN forum to be fixed, and the webmaster/s have not done anything about it to date.

As for the organizational aspect of framework, there is a lot of work ongoing behind the scenes so as to provide a better performance and experience. Progress has already been made, and it should be visible soon.

I cannot divulge all the details (yet), but I can say that should everything go as planned, every single ARUN Delegate will have their own responsibilities in the ARUN, tasks that would contribute to the positive change within groups and the server itself. Expect heavier responsibilities, but bigger benefits.

All I know is that ARUN leader if I'm not wrong wanted to close one group that should not be named and make his own group better.

You may as well namedrop Phillip_Ancelotti and the said group so as to prove your statement, rather than throwing rumors and hearsay around. After all, facts should have accompanying names.

Are you his attorney?

Yes, let's pretend that he wasn't implying that the op is crying. His post was just as provoking as mine, so get off my case.

Five years on the server, and you still believe that rulebreaking against someone because they broke the rules against you is still okay?

Brian doesn't have to be anyone's attorney. It could be anyone calling you out for what you did, and they'd still be right.

[Cyril]

Provocations removed and user warned.
Either you keep this topic nice and friendly and speak like mature and responsible people or it will be closed.

[Pandalink]

Provocations removed and user warned.

What about this one?

I started to read the topic but then i stopped i got the point its one more crying topic from you Cofiliano, when you will stop man?


And yes cops are dming of course. Some criminal gets owned and he is like : omg cops dming, omg admins you don't temp ban them bla bla bla. Hold on ! there are procedures, admins can't instant /tempban when they see report without investigating, so please play and damn enjoy and stop moaning for f**k sake.

[Cyril]

What about this one?

No provocation on this one and it has an argument.
Now go back on topic.

[Huntsman]

I am starting to get disappointed by random ex-players/community members trying to somewhat point the blame towards others.

What the hell are you guys talking about? I play in the server for Christs sakes..

Provocations removed and user warned.
Either you keep this topic nice and friendly and speak like mature and responsible people or it will be closed.

You forgot to remove your own provocation and warn yourself:

You don't even play RS5, so we don't need opinion of people that are only here to shit on those who work for players.

Excuse me? I play on RS5, in fact, I've been one of the most enthusiastic RS5 supporters when the whole "We hate RS5" forum trend started, and yet you tell me this? Who are you to say that you do not need someones opinion? What you've said is wrong, plain wrong, and provocative as well.  Someone who works for the players? Yeees.. Right, because saying "No way, we don't like what 90 percent of the community is demanding, therefore it's not gonna happen" is indeed working for the players. If you were really here to work for the players, you would actually listen to what they have to say and work to get what players want implemented, not silence them just like you're trying to do right now. And even if my activity has decreased for other reasons than real life, it's because of people like you.

[AK47]

You know where to go if you want to moan.

[Cyril]

What the hell are you guys talking about? I play in the server for Christs sakes..

You forgot to remove your own provocation and warn yourself:
Excuse me? I play on RS5, in fact, I've been one of the most enthusiastic RS5 supporters when the whole "We hate RS5" forum trend started, and yet you tell me this? Who are you to say that you do not need someones opinion? What you've said is wrong, plain wrong, and provocative as well.  Someone who works for the players? Yeees.. Right, because saying "No way, we don't like what 90 percent of the community is demanding, therefore it's not gonna happen" is indeed working for the players. If you were really here to work for the players, you would actually listen to what they have to say and work to get what players want implemented, not silence them just like you're trying to do right now. And even if my activity has decreased for other reasons than real life, it's because of people like you.

Cease your drama. You only played 11 hours, 38 minutes, 0 seconds since December 2013.
And for your information, Argonath is not a democracy. It's not because 25 players out of the 8575 players that have an account on RS5 wants something that it will be done.
This topic doesn't represent 90 percent of the playing community. It actually represent something like 0.029%.

[Antonio.]

This topic doesn't represent 90 percent of the playing community. It actually represent something like 0.029%.

This topic was made for SA:MP, and considering there are usually no more than 50 players online, your statement is wrong.

[Devin]

And those 50 players are the exact same 50 all day every day? I think not.

[Huntsman]

And those 50 players are the exact same 50 all day every day? I think not.

We're talking about regular players here.

Cease your drama. You only played 11 hours, 38 minutes, 0 seconds since December 2013.

You do realise some people have something called life? What you're suggesting is that if you're not a no-lifer, you're not an Argonathian. Really. I loyaly played since 2010 like 4 hours daily, if not even more, and just because I'm currently on my tenth grade, one of the most important stages of my life, since I have to study for the exams which will determine if I'm worth continuing to the other grades or not, therefore I cant afford spending a lot of time in Argonath, it does not make me any less of an argonath player than you. The problem is you're refusing the players opinion, and it's always been like that, no matter how players protest it, management always ignores them. Keep running away from truth and hang on your "Argonath is not a democracy" thing. We all already have seen consequences of that - player count has dropped from 80+ daily to 20 on weekdays and a little bit more than fifty on weekends. Open your eyes - you need players, and if you want players, you have to satisfy them. This kind of thinking is not bringing this community anywhere, and yet you say you serve the players. Ironic.

[Cyril]

20 on week days? That shows how inactive you are.
Don't speak about things you don't know.