Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[Brian]

It isn't allowed for any cop to drive-by if the vehicle is slower than a police cruiser, and even then they must only get the tires. Admiral is about 10 km/h slower, so yeah. As you said, the only cases where it is allowed is when the suspects are shooting back, or if they are being a threat to the lives of officers or civilians.

You are incorrect, there are quite some reasons why a suspect can be drive-byed by the cops
3AM here so not really feeling like naming it all, but for example, if the suspect has already shot towards the cops or has committed murder.
And there is quite some more reasons why a cop can drive-by. (Can all by find by browsing through the ARPD forums, by the way, criminals I suggest you to go through there, theres some really good information that you can use against the cops, like I did back in Sforza)

[Janar]

It isn't allowed for any cop to drive-by if the vehicle is slower than a police cruiser, and even then they must only get the tires. Admiral is about 10 km/h slower, so yeah. As you said, the only cases where it is allowed is when the suspects are shooting back, or if they are being a threat to the lives of officers or civilians.

That is SAPD regulation, that applies to SAPD Probationary Officers and above. SAPD officers can not be enforced to follow this regulation. Nor is this a server rule, which means administration can't take any action on this.

[Manas]

My personal experience of today
Got abused by cops 5 times in a day.
1. /su abuse
2. dm
3. wrong /su and 30mins of investigation
4. dm
5. /su abuse

The man in 2,4 is same. He got tempbanned by slavik for dm. Admins are strict.

The man in 1,5 is same. He escaped by /q . Two abuses in a span interval of 10mins got recorded . Will be uploading soon.

[Chris_Knight]

I disagree with such a horrible statement that criminals never try roleplay as you are forced to /hail or /gu with shower of pepper spray before  cops  engage roleplay with you .
You as an officer should not roam alone to being with on duty,enforce team work and as you speak,make sure partner covers you.

Criminals being sprayed while not running is plain absurd,and that ignorance from cop side when he is trying to talk,but cops keep spaming /s2 and shouting surrender,or spray you to death because that's allowed by constitution is pile of crap,and don't get me wrong,I am officer my self and Cofi well knows it.
So that's an perspective what I get from policing in those four years.
Constitution allows police enforcement use non lethal weapons to force suspect surrender or kill him if he does not complies. However what cops missguide is that standing at one place and not insta /hail is called not complying,while he is actually not moving nor evading therefore complied.
So when ever criminal tries to roleplay,he gets shotdown,literally,so people lose faith in cop performance.
Back in time people got copbanned for spraying a still standing suspect by an command staff.
If something lacks here,it's disciplinary action taken by law enforcement in such situations.

So I do understand Que from criminal and cop perspective,as at the end criminals have two choices,lose armour,health on a road to comply because of full can pepper spray in his face,or attempt to run and die,there is really rarely iniciative from cop side roleplay with suspect till his surrender without bunnyhop and pepper spray,my self seen in it about 5 times from other officers in 4 year policing.

[Manas]

It highly disappoints me with the fact that i am not being able to play on argonath without getting cop abused many times in a day.
Since the creation of this topic, admins became strict on cop rule breaks
But, is that enough?
We must together collaborate to find a solution like "Prevention is better than cure'
Today i was abused five times, some got punished by admins like Mr.SHAYAN whereas some escaped by /q.
We must seriously find a way that newbies don't join cop duty until they understand server rules.

Example of today's abusing by cops-
It all happened in a small gap of 5-10mins. Am i not allowed to play freely?

ABUSE NO.1



Note :- It was wrong suspection. It took me hell lot of time to prove my point until Slavik intervened,

ABUSE NO.2



Note - He got punished by admin with a tempban of 17mins, Again thanks Slavik and Leon.

ABUSE NO.3



Note- He escaped

[Cyril]

However what cops missguide is that standing at one place and not insta /hail is called not complying,while he is actually not moving nor evading therefore complied.

So you are saying that a suspect that is just standing still is considered as a compliant suspect?
If that the case any suspect evading or shooting after being standing still will be considered as running or attacking after surrending.

[Stivi]

So you are saying that a suspect that is just standing still is considered as a compliant suspect?
If that the case any suspect evading or shooting after being standing still will be considered as running or attacking after surrending.

I believe he's saying when a suspect is surrounded by an army of blue names aiming either a Deagle or a Pepper Spray at the suspect, and he is standing still. I often get sprayed with pepper spray while standing still.

And let me tell you one thing, "/l /gu" is NOT RP. And, correct me if I'm wrong, you can't force someone to /gu.

[Devin]

In those situations you should look at it from their side, what do you have to lose if you do /gu?
Often players will act like they have surrendered then when the cops are typing they turn around and shoot.

[Chris_Knight]

In those situations you should look at it from their side, what do you have to lose if you do /gu?
Often players will act like they have surrendered then when the cops are typing they turn around and shoot.

To Cyril ,Stivi answered your post perfectly,also read carefully what I say,silly french.

As about Devin. I'm sorry but in LVPD we decided not ask suspect surrender in an /s2 spam or /gu rape,we took cover accordingly and surrounded suspect,gave him opportunity to speak and interact,we demanded to surrender in a proper roleplay manner.
When I see ideology of "you can always surrender first to roleplay after" I wanna hit my head against the brick wall,no offense africo but it's the way it is.  First pages where whole blabling about encouraging rp,and now it's all about wanna roleplay,surrender first,or else get overun by cop army like an buldozer.

[Cofiliano]

Got abused today, reported it to an admin, he told me I should /gu and investigate, called 911 and asked for higher rank officer, cheers for the lads from FBI for coming down fast, and looking into the case.

Worst part is, the cop is an ex-Gvardia. Oh well.


I just realized something very important!

Consider it a question to HQ:

Unlike rs4, in rs5 there's a thing called CRIMINAL SCORE(correct me if I called it wrong).
Right now any abuser can build my criminal score by suspecting, over and over and over again, and then when I die Im gonna lose like 40k cause of the abusers, how are you guys gonna solve this?
And did anyone even thought about this problem when the criminal score was scripted?

[Doggie]

 mhove ovah lucifah

[Chuck_Norris]

/h how2cop plise explin
/h guys how2cop
/h how2arrets plise help
/h someone plis

Thats the use of /h you are demonstrating. Well done !
Useless tutorial if you ask me :-)

[Devin]

Apart from people being annoying whilst playing the game for the reason people play a game, to have fun.
What's the reason for this and what is the proposed solution to this "problem"?

[JDC]

you might as well wipe that arrogance gained through asslicking everyone in power out of your eyes so you can finally see.

Another sadly misinformed individual. Funny of you to claim that people like you are the truly loyal players, when not so long ago you were parroting things such as "And I'm nothing but truthful saying that SA:MP is dead." (which I got from our Skype, just so you can't say I'm putting words into your mouth) when the going got tough.

I won't elaborate on my long story, but on the way up (and even at the top), I had plenty of disagreements with my peers and superiors. Because I told them whatever was on my mind without any sugarcoating, the same way I am telling you now. Yet I succeeded in my posts because I actually gave what those jobs required, not because I tried to harness "public sentiment" and ride the bandwagon in a sad attempt to look powerful.

You see, in order to fix something, you must fix it to the point where everybody would be satisfied, which means you must listen to the players.

Clearly, you live in fantasy, and have no idea of how the real world works.

Come back when you've changed that, then the administration and sensible veterans may actually take you seriously. For now, there is nothing to gain from further discussion with you, someone who thrives on empty rhethoric and personal attacks, rather than objective facts.

No bloody offense... But a tutorial to join cop class? what are we? **:** server???

Blame all the "cool" veterans who think they are so "cool" that they have no time to teach new players how to become cops. If that wasn't bad enough, you'd see these trains of thought from them too:

"oh, aren't there enough cops already anyway?"
"I shouldn't be forced to help new players, that's something for admins"
"It's irritating to see help chat when I'm trying to focus on my own little world in roleplay, f**k those people asking for help"

After, they only further discriminate on and blame those new players when they rulebreak because none of the older players gave a f**k when they were trying to learn the rules and ropes. Unfortunately, the reason we've needed this a script is quality control, just to make sure that helping new cops didn't shrivel up into nothingness because there weren't enough who were willing.

People have no right to f**king complain about new players if they themselves turned a blind eye when those new players were asking for help. Many new players lack knowledge of the rules because of "veterans" who didn't give a f**k about informing them, focusing instead on themselves.

P.S: At the end of this quote, I realize you are misinformed; the scirpt is not a "tutorial", but a test; that a new player cannot become a cop unless they know some very basic facts about Argonath, as well as how to drive/shoot half-decently.

Got abused today, reported it to an admin, he told me I should /gu and investigate, called 911 and asked for higher rank officer, cheers for the lads from FBI for coming down fast, and looking into the case.

I hope this was enough proof for you that Admins and ARPD actually have a set way of dealing with cop violators for this-and-that.

Consider it a question to HQ:

Unlike rs4, in rs5 there's a thing called CRIMINAL SCORE(correct me if I called it wrong).
Right now any abuser can build my criminal score by suspecting, over and over and over again, and then when I die Im gonna lose like 40k cause of the abusers, how are you guys gonna solve this?
And did anyone even thought about this problem when the criminal score was scripted?

The purpose of criminal score is to keep track of those who are fond of getting wanted all the time, and to impose some losses on them. We all know that cop vs. criminal shootouts were among our biggest complaints/headaches in RS4.

But that is a good question. An admin command to remove criminal score (along with guidelines for its usage, like our other tools) would help.

As for the points about the economy, once again, the other jobs should get a raise / better salary opportunities. People flock to cop and fireman jobs because of the simple reward-vs.-effort rule of thumb.

[Cyril]

No need for an admin command. You can just ask a cop to jail you.