Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[Huntsman]

Another sadly misinformed individual. Funny of you to claim that people like you are the truly loyal players, when not so long ago you were parroting things such as "And I'm nothing but truthful saying that SA:MP is dead." (which I got from our Skype, just so you can't say I'm putting words into your mouth) when the going got tough.

I won't deny I said that and I'll stand by what I said. At the time, SA:MP really was dead, and only now it's starting to stand up on its' feet, and I'm glad for that.

I won't elaborate on my long story, but on the way up (and even at the top), I had plenty of disagreements with my peers and superiors. Because I told them whatever was on my mind without any sugarcoating, the same way I am telling you now. Yet I succeeded in my posts because I actually gave what those jobs required, not because I tried to harness "public sentiment" and ride the bandwagon in a sad attempt to look powerful.

If being successful is grabbing one hundred positions you do not have the activity to handle is what you call successful, than you might want to rethink that. Yes, we all still remember your VC:MP story. A FBI director who could barely show up in game for two-three months, mostly not even letting his comrades know where the hell he is. Out of curiosity i'd always check your /c lastlogin and it would always be more than two months. And yet you say that you were capable of handling your positions all over the community. Freaking pathetic 

Come back when you've changed that, then the administration and sensible veterans may actually take you seriously.

I already told you: you are no longer taken seriously by actual sensible veterans long ago. It's funny how you speak for those people when in reality most of them think of you as a pathetic and desperate person who's trying to re-gain his long lost fame by trying to bash people's opinions by writing books and using words in contexts that usually don't even make sense. 

[Manas]

Apart from people being annoying whilst playing the game for the reason people play a game, to have fun.
What's the reason for this and what is the proposed solution to this "problem"?

Let me explain a major reason for cop abusing by newbies-

1. Majority are Cops and robbers server and many newbies come from there
The only thing they do there is suspect and kill for money

2. Referring to regular players
[a] They have personal grudge against few players
Are low on money or are in too delightful mood to do it

Possible Suggestions

1. Time Interval-
Keep a time interval between usage of /su by cops. As there are many cops for now, it must not be a problem for collaborating cops

2.Reset Criminal Score
Once a man gets unsuspected , please remove the criminal score he gets due to wrong suspection.

For DMing cops, i hope admins can look after that

[Devin]

If being successful is grabbing one hundred positions you do not have the activity to handle is what you call successful, than you might want to rethink that. Yes, we all still remember your VC:MP story. A FBI director who could barely show up in game for two-three months, mostly not even letting his comrades know where the hell he is. Out of curiosity i'd always check your /c lastlogin and it would always be more than two months. And yet you say that you were capable of handling your positions all over the community. Freaking pathetic 

And who the fuck are you exactly to comment on another's activity or lack of within Argonath whilst you are one of the many that said "SAMP is dead" and didn't contribute a god damn thing whilst we were trying to do all we could to please the players?
Sure JDC may have held and currently holds multiple positions, what's the problem?
As long as someone that holds a position is able to be productive enough when active to keep the position I see no problem so what's your problem?

You try to call yourself a true veteran whilst you disrespect those that contribute to the community is not "Freaking pathetic" as you put it but fucking childish.
Get off your high horse and stop trying to act as if you may run around here disrespecting those that have done what they can to help the community before you find the door closed in your face.

It's time for some to stop being arrogant little shits and to start being productive whilst being respectful towards other users.

[JDC]

If being successful is grabbing one hundred positions you do not have the activity to handle is what you call successful, than you might want to rethink that. Yes, we all still remember your VC:MP story. A FBI director who could barely show up in game for two-three months, mostly not even letting his comrades know where the hell he is. Out of curiosity i'd always check your /c lastlogin and it would always be more than two months. And yet you say that you were capable of handling your positions all over the community. Freaking pathetic 

Were you in the FBI? Did you have access to the systems and cases I was maintaining on the forum and the progress I was creating away from the public eyes? Did you read my private communications with Legend and my agents? The answer would be no, as you could not make it into FBI, or even stay in the VCPD, because we had to fire you for acting too immaturely. Something you obviously did not outgrow until now.

I advice you further refrain from discussing our resumes, before I embarrass you and further expose your lack of knowledge.

I already told you: you are no longer taken seriously by actual sensible veterans long ago. It's funny how you speak for those people when in reality most of them think of you as a pathetic and desperate person who's trying to re-gain his long lost fame by trying to bash people's opinions by writing books and using words in contexts that usually don't even make sense. 

I would have included a caveman translation of my posts for you and your kind, but I don't see it as worth the effort.

But I've had my fun for this post. The problem with you, and some other problem players, is that you don't bother to find out what the real facts are before pointing at the helpers and switching your allegiance to suit the situation. Who's asslicking now.

At this point, none of you have the right to complain about staff being so defensive. Why? For the exact same reason why we do not give a f**k about the opinions of moaners anymore, focusing only on players who are loyal to this community and who bother to know the effort put in to keep it alive, even if we disagree with them at times (like I disagree with Cofiliano now and then). Admins are humans too; be nice and civil, and we'll be more than happy to help you. Shit on us and everything that we hold dear, and we'll just as easily show you the door.

Those who elevate themselves by talking bullshit about those who actually contribute to this community do not deserve to stay around here for long.

And as for the topic of cops, yes I am in favor of longer (perhaps even indefinite, like /ban) copban for regulars who abuse duty. From both Admins and ARPD.

[Huntsman]

And who the f**k are you exactly to comment on another's activity or lack of within Argonath whilst you are one of the many that said "SAMP is dead" and didn't contribute a god damn thing whilst we were trying to do all we could to please the players?
Sure JDC may have held and currently holds multiple positions, what's the problem?
As long as someone that holds a position is able to be productive enough when active to keep the position I see no problem so what's your problem?

You try to call yourself a true veteran whilst you disrespect those that contribute to the community is not "Freaking pathetic" as you put it but f**king childish.
Get off your high horse and stop trying to act as if you may run around here disrespecting those that have done what they can to help the community before you find the door closed in your face.

It's time for some to stop being arrogant little shits and to start being productive whilst being respectful towards other users.

Chill, he wants to bring it personal, I bring it up personal. He knows what I'm talking about. The only problem I have with anyone here is JDC, and I refuse to aknowledge he has ever done anything to this community.

Were you in the FBI? Did you have access to the systems and cases I was maintaining on the forum and the progress I was creating away from the public eyes? Did you read my private communications with Legend and my agents? The answer would be no, as you could not make it into FBI, or even stay in the VCPD, because we had to fire you for acting too immaturely. Something you obviously did not outgrow until now.

I advice you further refrain from discussing our resumes, before I embarrass you and further expose your lack of knowledge.

I would have included a caveman translation of my posts for you and your kind, but I don't see it as worth the effort.

But I've had my fun for this post. The problem with you, and some other problem players, is that you don't bother to find out what the real facts are before pointing at the helpers and switching your allegiance to suit the situation. Who's asslicking now.

At this point, none of you have the right to complain about staff being so defensive. Why? For the exact same reason why we do not give a f**k about the opinions of moaners anymore, focusing only on players who are loyal to this community and who bother to know the effort put in to keep it alive.

Those who elevate themselves by talking bullshit about those who actually contribute to this community do not deserve to stay around here for long.

And as for the topic of cops, yes I am in favor of longer (perhaps even indefinite, like /ban) copban for regulars who abuse duty.

I was fired because I disagreed with your attempts to a be a dictator and get your inability to manage your agency to bright day light. I've done no misconduct during my duties apart from defending myself at the point where you started publicly offending me in VCPD boards. I wish I still had the screenshot of that pretty post of yours.

as you could not make it into FBI

Funny how you said that, when before we had that argument you were considering giving me a chance in VCPD-FBI over the /c phone  And even if I was offered to join I would have rejected the offer, because before I've got promoted to officer I've told Legend that I have no desire to get invited into the FBI as I wish to contribute to VCPD itself.

I would have included a caveman translation of my posts for you and your kind, but I don't see it as worth the effort.

You do realise speaking in phrases you most likely probably don't even understand yourself does not make you any smarter than me or anyone else in this community? And I really do not see how writing political-philosophical speeches for a video-gaming community where most of the players are no older than 15-16 years old is a great achievment. Wow, I'd give you a cookie if I had one.

And as for the topic of cops, yes I am in favor of longer (perhaps even indefinite, like /ban) copban for regulars who abuse duty.

Finally somethign we can agree on.

Anyways, let's get back to the topic, and my problem here is that the server administration refuses to aknowledge that police officers receive way lighter punishments for the same violations which civilians do.

[JDC]

Chill, he wants to bring it personal, I bring it up personal. He knows what I'm talking about. The only problem I have with anyone here is JDC, and I refuse to aknowledge he has ever done anything to this community.

More lies, I see.



You claim that your only problem is with me, when you have clearly been shitting on admins by claiming that they are blind to the community's needs and do not care about the players, someting that made it personal not only for me, but for other staff members too. The only thing that is clear is that you aren't fooling anyone.

Aside from admitting to willingly flaming for petty reasons, you clearly insist on keeping up your shit attitude even if told that you may be assisted in leaving. Continue and you just might find that happening sooner than expected.

Start telling the truth, it may suit you better. Fact is that admins have been responsive to good suggestions from the players and work at enforcing the rules, and to say otherwise is bullshit.

[Cyril]

police officers receive way lighter punishments for the same violations which civilians do.

It's a bit easy to say without anything to back up your words.

[Devin]

Two users muted for their inability to abide by forum rules. Anyone else decides to follow their route will be removed in the same manner.

[Miller786]

Two users muted for their inability to abide by forum rules. Anyone else decides to follow their route will be removed in the same manner.

Alleluja!, these days every thread becomes a place for personal arguments and stuff like that
.
Back on topic-

Let me explain a major reason for cop abusing by newbies-

1. Majority are Cops and robbers server and many newbies come from there
The only thing they do there is suspect and kill for money

2. Referring to regular players
[a] They have personal grudge against few players
Are low on money or are in too delightful mood to do it

Possible Suggestions

1. Time Interval-
Keep a time interval between usage of /su by cops. As there are many cops for now, it must not be a problem for collaborating cops

2.Reset Criminal Score
Once a man gets unsuspected , please remove the criminal score he gets due to wrong suspection.

For DMing cops, i hope admins can look after that

1.If there are multiple suspect we will need multiple cops to suspect each guy + unexperienced cop + no reinforcements + wrong juristiction= Good Luck, finding a cop that fits all the requirments and the criminal already got away with it...
2. Agree completely, my criminal score has been highered before the time (feds hehehehehe) for that D:

[Cofiliano]

No need for an admin command. You can just ask a cop to jail you.

And why does a innocent person, victim of an abuse, who didn't break any law or rule, except being abused by some rule breaker has to get jailed?

How about we jail the abusive cop, and then when he does get jailed, the criminal score he raised by abusing /sus gets erased.

[Cofiliano]

Apart from people being annoying whilst playing the game for the reason people play a game, to have fun.
What's the reason for this and what is the proposed solution to this "problem"?

1.Raise the punishment for copban to a 1 week-1month for a veteran cop.
2.After getting 2 cop bans in a row, the 3rd time is a full ban.

Place this, and problem solved.

[Rusty]

1.Raise the punishment for copban to a 1 week-1month for a veteran cop.
2.After getting 2 cop bans in a row, the 3rd time is a full ban.

Place this, and problem solved.

You can't copban for a month straight (unless the limit was raised), you'd have to wait the maximum time which am very sure is a week then ban them again.  There's no guarantee you'd be able to keep issuing the copban over the course of a month as people would find a way to avoid it.  Not to mention the copban command isn't working as it should.

If it's a cop with a rank Senior Officer or higher who commits such acts then I would urge you to also send their wrongdoings to the ARPD Forum.  It may lead to them being suspended from duty (copbanned) or most likely fired from SAPD completely (copbanned and removed from SAPD group).

[Manas]

Alleluja!, these days every thread becomes a place for personal arguments and stuff like that
.
Back on topic-1.If there are multiple suspect we will need multiple cops to suspect each guy + unexperienced cop + no reinforcements + wrong juristiction= Good Luck, finding a cop that fits all the requirments and the criminal already got away with it...

There is something called teamwork a cop must follow, they get paid for that not for abusing.
Inexperienced cops need to wait for backup that happens IRL too. No reinforcements is a badluck on both cop and criminal side. If a criminal gets away because of non coordination of cops, its neither a script mistake nor criminal 's mistake

[Cyril]

There is something called teamwork a cop must follow, they get paid for that not for abusing.
Inexperienced cops need to wait for backup that happens IRL too. No reinforcements is a badluck on both cop and criminal side. If a criminal gets away because of non coordination of cops, its neither a script mistake nor criminal 's mistake

You can't expect the 1160 members of SAPD group to perfectly cooperate 24/7. It's completly unrealistic.

[Stivi]

You can't expect the 1160 members of SAPD group to perfectly cooperate 24/7. It's completly unrealistic.

How is it unrealistic ? Do you think cops in real life just go around killing "bad dudes" ? In real life, the "criminal" is a suspect, and innocent, until found guilty.

In Argonath, even though we got laws for it, we're guilty because some random cop, that works as a fireman most of the time, was told in PM that I made a kidnap. Then they /su for "attempted 211".