Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[KelviNC]

That's what I meant in my previous posts. I'll you a short explanation. A player who is new into the server, he doesn't even know who owns the server, or how does the server work. He gets on cop duty without knowing the server, that how the server works. So, do you expect anything positive from the new player whom even don't know any shit about the server. Don't consider this as moaning towards the new players. Just an example.

[Crassus]

Just sharing this:
In Argonath MTA:SA server you would need to have a passport before even having the ability to take test before you can go on duty. The test actual cannot be passed with out proper knowledge regarding ARPD and the server. The new player that want to be on duty is actually taking initiative to browse though the forum and knowing the rules so he can pass the test.
This works pretty good IMO, but then again we're different than SA:MP.

[KelviNC]

Just sharing this:
In Argonath MTA:SA server you would need to have a passport before even having the ability to take test before you can go on duty. The test actual cannot be passed with out proper knowledge regarding ARPD and the server. The new player that want to be on duty is actually taking initiative to browse though the forum and knowing the rules so he can pass the test.
This works pretty good IMO, but then again we're different than SA:MP.

Yes, we all know that MTA:SA is totally different from SA:MP, but atleast we could bring some changes? Without some knowledge about the server and the roles and hopes of a cop how do you even expect a player to go onduty? 

[Crassus]

I totally agree with you there. With out proper knowledge regarding how the server works and it's rules you cant really expect a cop acting like one. In SA:MP everybody can be a cop and I noticed a lot of new cops rely on the help chat too much. Guidance is a very important factor too, they are not becoming better if people start flaming the new cop but instead it would be better to push them in the right direction.

[KelviNC]

I never go backwards while helping a new player, but it's really annoying when a player whom we have guided does the opposite thing. I really think that why doesn't the management team understands this thing.

[CharlieKasper]

You just can't compare MTA SA and SA MP and I have already said why.

I never go backwards while helping a new player, but it's really annoying when a player whom we have guided does the opposite thing. I really think that why doesn't the management team understands this thing.

Your logic is twisted.. and you contradict yourself.
A player requires to gain experience to be experienced. He would still be pretty much inexperienced even if he reads everything about police procedures in ARPD website just because HE HASN'T put anything to practice. I would, in an hour, forget those 10-15 paragraph of procedures until I immediately try them (and so will any average person in the world). So unless I get live advise (which our new players can get via /h or by personally getting a player to help them), they won't improve. Nobody would bother alt tabbing to see what to do when a suspect is standing still. This I speak from experience. The faster they improve, they better. Requirement of passport and license would just delay it.

If a new player doesn't follow the rules even after he has been advised, you report them and then we do our best to improve them.

[Chuck_Norris]

Blame all the "cool" veterans who think they are so "cool" that they have no time to teach new players how to become cops. If that wasn't bad enough, you'd see these trains of thought from them too:

"oh, aren't there enough cops already anyway?"
"I shouldn't be forced to help new players, that's something for admins"
"It's irritating to see help chat when I'm trying to focus on my own little world in roleplay, f**k those people asking for help"

After, they only further discriminate on and blame those new players when they rulebreak because none of the older players gave a f**k when they were trying to learn the rules and ropes. Unfortunately, the reason we've needed this a script is quality control, just to make sure that helping new cops didn't shrivel up into nothingness because there weren't enough who were willing.

People have no right to f**king complain about new players if they themselves turned a blind eye when those new players were asking for help. Many new players lack knowledge of the rules because of "veterans" who didn't give a f**k about informing them, focusing instead on themselves.

P.S: At the end of this quote, I realize you are misinformed; the scirpt is not a "tutorial", but a test; that a new player cannot become a cop unless they know some very basic facts about Argonath, as well as how to drive/shoot half-decently.

So a script is needed to 'test' people in order to see if they are able to join? Whats next? a scripted test to join the administration team? don't automate things that shouldn't be automated :-)

[Manas]

You just can't compare MTA SA and SA MP and I have already said why.Your logic is twisted.. and you contradict yourself.
A player requires to gain experience to be experienced.

And what are the causalities?
DMing a group of people and then getting copbanned?
Your logic is totally wrong

[JDC]

So a script is needed to 'test' people in order to see if they are able to join? Whats next? a scripted test to join the administration team? don't automate things that shouldn't be automated :-)

I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.

*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"

Such logic.

[Miller786]

I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.

*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"

Such logic.

true dat.

[CharlieKasper]

And what are the causalities?
DMing a group of people and then getting copbanned?
Your logic is totally wrong

What?

[Manas]

What?

I am speaking of the "experience" you were telling of.

[Cofiliano]

Please keep up with the subject of the topic.

Personal arguments, debate about things not related, debate about new players, this and that, please put your ego and urge to answer someone's offtopic away, and keep it focused on the subject of the topic.

[Solis]

I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.

*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"

Such logic.

You would have a point if this actually happened in the first place.

[KelviNC]

I'm not entirely in favor of automation either, but I point out that things had to reach this level because we have too much regulars and "veterans" who turn up their noses at new players.

*Newplayer joins server*
Newplayer: "hi, i am new what i do on this server"
Regular: "f**k off, I'm too busy focusing on my own roleplay. I have no time to help new players like you."
*regular doesn't teach new player*
*Newplayer breaks rules out of ignorance*
Regular: "OMG ADMINS THIS NOOB IS DMING ME WE NEED MORE LIMITS ON NEW PLAYERS"

Such logic.

Can you show me even a single example of a regular player behaving like that with the new players?