Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[JDC]

If you see no point - My point is made. Reflect on that !

All that is clear is you connecting the problems at the moment with the Argonath Vision. We are forum posters, not mind-readers, so do not complain if ambiguous statements do not translate well.

[CharlieKasper]

He was AFK, there's no rule to stop anyone going AFK, unless he's blocking a "busy" road/PnS. ( Oh wait... )

We won't protect anyone for being AFK either. It has always been suggested that if you want to head off for quite some time, use /q. Don't go AFK.

The HQ should understand our frustration when such things happen. It's not our duty, as civilians, to teach a cop how to do his job. There are SAPD high-ranks who should be doing this and there are moderators as well. A regular player might do it once, twice, but not all the time. People go IG to have fun and RP, not teach some dudes that don't understand English how to not ruin their game-play.

You've no right to complain about something if you don't do anything about it. The veterans and regulars are looked upon by new players for help. If a veteran doesn't help, how the fuck do you think a new player will improve? Even if he somehows manages to learn about everything on the server, do you think he will think about helping a new player, when a Veteran didn't help him when he needed help?

[Petarda]

You are part of an official group and you are a regular player.
Therefore you job is to help anyone on this server. If you don't bother doing that, then don't complain.

He has no "job" to do on this server, the only thing he has to do is play, your job is to help people.

[Xander]

I was quite active with this community for years(2009-2011/2012ish). I had never played any RPG type of game besides roleplaying on forums, at the time. So whe ni came here, and saw a nice community to be apart of. As a new player, I had a general concept of what an RPG was. I wasn't some moron who joined and began dming everything. I am sick of people assuming new players join and just DM, yes there have always been these cases but this does NOT apply to everyone. As far as the people who join and DM, do they lack the common sense or understanding on what an RPG actually is? Especially now when there are tons of games that are RPGs. So quit tunnel visioning assuming every new player needs a hand in how to RP, the only thing they should truly need help with...the commands. Hell, when you used to join it said how you could get help.

Now reading through all of this, or most, in this topic. I find it immensely sickening to see veterans or administrators arguing with the fact that something should be done about an issue that is being brought up to the ENTIRE community's attention. I really do question how much you care for this community. This is NOT an isolated incident, if it has been happening for YEARS. I mean, if you have something brought up to your attention, and multiple people are upset about it, do you god damn job and do something about it. Don't give these crappy answers like Cyril has all topic on how everything is handled behind the scenes blah blah. Without these people in Gvardia, in the SAPD/FBI, as Civilians, there would be NO community. I feel bad for good people in the SAPD/FBI who honestly have to deal with these abusers, when they are there for the same reason as everyone else...to have fun and Roleplay. Honestly, I began to not have fun because of dealing with ANY type of rule-breaker all of the time and that is why I really don't play at all. i would like to come back, but the toxicity of the community towards eachother and lack of enforcement of the rules, that's not how it should be. So people who still play, I give you alot of credit for being able to tolerate all of that.

Overall, people need to be able to voice their opinions with respect, towards anyone. If it is a problem that is happening over and over, it NEEDS to be addressed. If you're an administrator and you feel it's no big deal, guess what? It isn't about you, it's about the person who came to you for HELP. So stop arguing trying to be 'right' and compromise. I feel like this is like the Democrats vs. Republicans here in the United States.

Also....I am not angry or anything, I am calm and just relaxing. I hope this can all be solved and I hope to return to the community to see my friends and my family.

[KelviNC]

Here we go. You are part of an official group and you are a regular player.
Therefore you job is to help anyone on this server. If you don't bother doing that, then don't complain.

I don't see any fault from his side if he's apart of an official group and not helping newcomer with the police script/system. He's in a group which have a 'CRIMINAL' status. As it was dicussed before that half of the server is on cop suty (Including high rank officers, and if not them for sure there would be an/some admin(s) online). They there to help them with the script that how does the cop system works. If not them, the server and puttin all the thing regarding cops in /help.

P.S: If there is some mistake(s) ignore them, because I posted it with my phone.

[KelviNC]

He has no "job" to do on this server, the only thing he has to do is play, your job is to help people.

No you can't just say that helping new players is thier job. If so, then stop complaining about the newcomers (not the cops) that they DM or break any other rules.

[Arslan]

Here we go. You are part of an official group and you are a regular player.
Therefore you job is to help anyone on this server. If you don't bother doing that, then don't complain.

What? I don't understand what you mean? So if your part of a official clan/group it is obligatory to help every new player and in his case even if your a criminal, teach him how to be a cop? Or your not allowed to give your views about any faults on the server..?

Players come to the server to have fun and relax not go round looking for new players to help. I'm not saying you shouldn't help new players, of course you should but that's if the person wants to do it. It isn't their responsibility to make sure everyone knows how to play. 

[CharlieKasper]

He has no "job" to do on this server, the only thing he has to do is play, your job is to help people.

He has no right to complain then either.

I don't see any fault from his side if he's apart of an official group and not helping newcomer with the police script/system. He's in a group which have a 'CRIMINAL' status. As it was dicussed before that half of the server is on cop suty (Including high rank officers, and if not them for sure there would be an/some admin(s) online). They there to help them with the script that how does the cop system works. If not them, the server and puttin all the thing regarding cops in /help.

P.S: If there is some mistake(s) ignore them, because I posted it with my phone.

What? I don't understand what you mean? So if your part of a official clan/group it is obligatory to help every new player and in his case even if your a criminal, teach him how to be a cop? Or your not allowed to give your views about any faults on the server..?

Players come to the server to have fun and relax not go round looking for new players to help. I'm not saying you shouldn't help new players, of course you should but that's if the person wants to do it. It isn't their responsibility to make sure everyone knows how to play. 

Helping players is one of the many reasons why a group is issued official status as far as I know. So if a group doesn't want to help, why would they get to keep their official status?

[Arslan]

So if a group doesn't want to help, why would they get to keep their official status?

Why you twisting my words? Did I say anything like that? I didn't say no one wants to help new or old players. My question was towards Cyril about saying it is it is obligatory to help new players. Argonath gets new players nearly everyday. Players go in to RP and have fun. And I don't think having a official status means you have to help players 24/7.

[KelviNC]

Why you twisting my words? Did I say anything like that? My question was towards Cyril about saying it is it is obligatory to help new players. Argonath gets new players nearly everyday. Players go in to RP and have fun. And I don't think having a official status means you have to help players 24/7.

Correct! Getting an Official status is not given through helping players, it is been issued by thier activity and dedication towards RP.

[Cyril]

Correct! Getting an Official status is not given through helping players, it is been issued by thier activity and dedication towards RP.

Wrong. Helping others also count.

[Cyril]

Why you twisting my words? Did I say anything like that? I didn't say no one wants to help new or old players. My question was towards Cyril about saying it is it is obligatory to help new players. Argonath gets new players nearly everyday. Players go in to RP and have fun. And I don't think having a official status means you have to help players 24/7.

Why you twisting my words? I didn't say they had to help players 24/7.
If they encounter someone that is not familiar with how things works, they have to try to teach them.
Don't expect admins to teach everyone, if you do think admins have to teach every new players, then don't complain next time you report someone and no one is answering your report.

[Stivi]

Official groups are supposed to be Role Models, and when I became an official group member, I was never told that it was a must that I needed to help others. But I'm not going to argue about that either, as whatever I type can be misunderstood and a whole group gets burnt because of something I typed over the internet. My job to help others would be if I was a moderator. Yes, I have applied to be one, but until I'm accepted ( IF ) I'm not "forced" to help new-comers on how to /su someone, how to properly arrest someone, how to NOT DB suspects with lower speed, etc.

I do help people in /h chat. I do help people who ask for help in my PM. But, I don't ( usually ) help people how to not /su someone because I simply don't remember SAPD regulations, nor am I going to read them because I've no relations with SAPD, whatsoever.

Why you twisting my words? I didn't say they had to help players 24/7.
If they encounter someone that is not familiar with how things works, they have to try to teach them.
Don't expect admins to teach everyone, if you do think admins have to teach every new players, then don't complain next time you report someone and no one is answering your report.

I won't even be online 24/7.
I'm busy, I don't know anything how SAPD works, I'm a civilian. I know the laws, not like most cops, I can't help them. Would you revoke an official status because one group member can't do that ?

[Arslan]

Why you twisting my words? I didn't say they had to help players 24/7.

I wasn't? I was saying that to Charlie.

+ What you on about? I didn't say admins have to teach everyone. Re-read what I said. It was about you saying, from what I understood, it is compulsory to help player or you don't have the right to speak about any problem you may have within the server.

My view is to help all players but I also believe its up to the player when he does or doesn't want to do it.

[KelviNC]

Why you twisting my words? I didn't say they had to help players 24/7.
If they encounter someone that is not familiar with how things works, they have to try to teach them.
Don't expect admins to teach everyone, if you do think admins have to teach every new players, then don't complain next time you report someone and no one is answering your report.

That's the point which we are try to explain you guys since last few weeks. You have to extend the time before a new player could join police duty. Without any knowledge about the role and hopes, how do you expect them not to break rules. Let them understand the things first. If the management team would not give any responce then for sure poeple will complain.