An end to constant use of military jets and helicopters

[Stivi]

Air Division has a rule which is no returning after death (If you die you can not return by whatever reason).

A month ago or so.

Easter Basin Gas Station, San Fierro ( close to Naval Ship ). Two groups take down a hunter. Running away, they got shot from the same pilot ( you know who you are.. .) at Downtown San Fierro. Why was this rule not considered ?

First of all I don't recall hydras and hunters going after land vehicles in rs4 ... they were even extremelly rare to be found going after airborn suspects ... I recall having to go on a Dodo DB plan to stop airborn suspects when I was in the police side...

Secondly this has practicly nothing to do with the fact that they are forcing roleplay...

While you don't, I perfectly do.

Las Barrancas, Summer 2013. Me alone running away with my Squalo. Normally a hunter came and destroyed it(, ofc). I swam to the shore and ran where the limo and the walton was parked. I took the limo, the ground units popped the tires. I left it and took the Walton. Ground units had to pass around the limo to be able to shoot me so I had some free time to make a run for it in a Walton. But wait, hunter disabled my vehicle. I was so pro at driving a Walton that ground units couldn't handle my speed, so the hunter pilot had to make a call.

[LoHi]

What about not shooting the Hydra/Hunter but shooting their standard issue helicopter prior to?
Does this still merit opening fire with the Hydra/Hunter when the suspects are on foot after their car has exploded for whatever reason?

Apparently they can return with a HA vehicle after their "normal" vehicle is shot.

[Stivi]

Apparently they can return with a HA vehicle after their "normal" vehicle is shot.

Yeah. Well Fernando was talking about no return after death. We took the hunter down, he took the hunter again and came. Maybe they can't abide rules, that's why they have guidelines.

[Devin]

Apparently Hunters and Hydras are allowed to attack civilians for a new reason called "commissioner's orders".

I know that is not correct, report via pm the persons stating that and I will deal with them, you will need to provide evidence as at this state I do not believe you...

People still want to talk nonsense?

[JDC]

Years later on and the same people still complain about the same old things, no matter what the administration / SAPD will do to keep them under control, short of keeping every hydra/hunter user on a 1-meter leash with 24/7 surveillance.

What people need to learn is that we have a proper escalation procedure that is handled by competent staff. If you can't accept that at all, then keep in mind there's a reason why they are in charge, and not you.

[Lustigkurre]

Years later on and the same people still complain about the same old things, no matter what the administration / SAPD will do to keep them under control, short of keeping every hydra/hunter user on a 1-meter leash with 24/7 surveillance.

What people need to learn is that we have a proper escalation procedure that is handled by competent staff. If you can't accept that at all, then keep in mind there's a reason why they are in charge, and not you.

And years later on there are still people who don't think authorities can make misstakes.

[CBFasi]

First of all I don't recall hydras and hunters going after land vehicles in rs4 ... they were even extremelly rare to be found going after airborn suspects ... I recall having to go on a Dodo DB plan to stop airborn suspects when I was in the police side...

Secondly this has practicly nothing to do with the fact taht they are forcing roleplay...

Considering what I know about the usage of the Hydra and Hunter in Rs4 I find your comments rather puzzling, they Hydra and Hunter where there at the beginning of RS4, I know, I coded it, and in particular I know how often they got used on land vehicles, often for disablement..

It isnt regulated the way it should be regulated, by rules. Guidelines simply isn't enough. In example I cant report a guy in game for misusage of it so admins can check, cause its not a rule yet guidelines. And we're talking about most dangerous weapon that exist on the server.

They would be ARPD rules if they existed and admins are not supposed to react to RP group rules ...
Admins are there for server rules, and NOT rules that cover ARPD.

A month ago or so.

Easter Basin Gas Station, San Fierro ( close to Naval Ship ). Two groups take down a hunter. Running away, they got shot from the same pilot ( you know who you are.. .) at Downtown San Fierro. Why was this rule not considered ?

While you don't, I perfectly do.

Las Barrancas, Summer 2013. Me alone running away with my Squalo. Normally a hunter came and destroyed it(, ofc). I swam to the shore and ran where the limo and the walton was parked. I took the limo, the ground units popped the tires. I left it and took the Walton. Ground units had to pass around the limo to be able to shoot me so I had some free time to make a run for it in a Walton. But wait, hunter disabled my vehicle. I was so pro at driving a Walton that ground units couldn't handle my speed, so the hunter pilot had to make a call.

Tell me who it was !

Apparently they can return with a HA vehicle after their "normal" vehicle is shot.

If they die they are not allowed to return no matter what vehicle they are/was in unless server numbers are rather low.   (numbers will NOT be given as this would be used against Air Division)..

Raise complaints to me and I will look into them, and some of our pilots have had access to the heavies REMOVED due to abuse in the past.

[Kostas]

Well I've not been here from the start of rs4 ... I joined in 23rd of July 2011 ...And since then I'd never seen in rs4 such a vehicle to fire missiles on land vehicles... and I did see them rarelly working against airborn suspects... Maybe it was just luck maybe not... this is really not what I care about...

Many people say that this is a complain topic and alot of pretty useless things I'd say...

I do not think that they should be removed, they are there for a reason and I'm not against that. I find 100% the regulation that allows a hunter/hydra pilot to shoot a land vehicle that opens fire on them. And I really don't get why I am the only one finding that extremelly wrong... When the hunter stalks a land vehicle, the suspects in it are unabled to both escape from the hunter but to also lose their wanted level... In conclusion they could remain suspects till they actually get caught or decide to give up.... So their only solution is to stop and open fire on the hunter/hydra just like they would do if it was a police chopper... Now even though they are actually forced to do that you still find it right to get yourselves the right to throw missiles on them for that? Even though some have opposed me on what I'm about to say, I personally would call this forcing Roleplay... As the suspects need to escape and their only way to do so is by shooting on the hunter/hydra and when they do so, the hunter/hydra gets the right to shoot them...

For the ones that don't understand how wrong it is I will make a simple examble...
You are a suspect in your car in an alley that leads to a dead end and has enough space to fit your car and also give you space to exit from it... A police officer is at the exit holding a minigun , which he is not allowed to use unless being shot at or engaged in anyway... The suspect is completly trapped in there so he has to either run him over(against the rules but anyway) or get out of the vehicle and shoot him to get away... By doing so the minigun carrier immediatelly gets the right to shoot back and does so...

Now that you also read my examble... please tell me if I'm seeing something wrong, or tell me why you keep on allowing such a thing... I am not against Hunter/Hydra, I love them, but that particular rule is completly wrong ... And once again every rule that applies to them should be given to the public ... Every rule that applies anywhere should be open for the public to see... just like groups that don't want their members to Scam or Get on PD duty have it on public for people to see and report, same way should AirDiv , and every other group on the server... FBI , SAPD , AD , and w/e else exists...

[JackWhite]

Well I've not been here from the start of rs4 ... I joined in 23rd of July 2011 ...And since then I'd never seen in rs4 such a vehicle to fire missiles on land vehicles... and I did see them rarelly working against airborn suspects

They have been used loooads of times on NRGs because the cops couldnt catch them It was used on NRG more than on planes/helis.

[Kostas]

They have been used loooads of times on NRGs because the cops couldnt catch them It was used on NRG more than on planes/helis.

No offence but it still doesn't change the way I see it... And anyway let's forget about rs4 ... please focus on what I said about that rs5 rule. ... and post your opinion about it... Am I the only one who sees it that way?

[Stivi]

@CBF I'm on a phone, but here go the names:

Leon.
 
&

you.

[CBFasi]

Disabled your vehicle, did not kill.. and quite a number of times when the Hunter/Hydra has been used it has returned without firing a single shot ...


However the title of this topic is misleading as it reports constant use, and I know for fact that is not the case ...

[JackWhite]

Disabled your vehicle, did not kill.. and quite a number of times when the Hunter/Hydra has been used it has returned without firing a single shot ...


However the title of this topic is misleading as it reports constant use, and I know for fact that is not the case ...

Often when the vehicles were "disabled", the players using the vehicle died instantly. I am not saying it is/was under constant use, but was used way to much in situations where it was nowhere needed. I've seen this in both RS4 and RS5, from both when I was a criminal and a cop.

[Stivi]

Disabled your vehicle, did not kill.. and quite a number of times when the Hunter/Hydra has been used it has returned without firing a single shot ...

Nor did I say you did, CBF. But still disabling a Walton when ground units are on scene, shooting at the suspect, is absurd.

[Kostas]

It is true that there is no "constant use" but there has been overuse... What ever the truth is, should we then create separate topics for each problem we got about it?