We have to get the server back in line.

[Devin]

Plenty has changed since then.

[Pandalink]

Drug market never meant as way to earn a large profit

Then are criminal groups meant to go on cop duty to earn money? Is this RS3?

Dependant on criminal groups?  What. 

Cops have absolutely no role without criminal groups existing. Without organised criminals groups (and thus cops), there isn't activity on the server for other roleplayers to get immersed. If you kill the criminal groups, you kill the server.

back then I was 14 years old too.. I had free time for gaming! Whilst today.. I am 19 and working daily 10 hour shifts.. plus after many years of playing GTA:SA, I can say that I really got bored of it...

Aside from all the other points, this is something worth mentioning.
You're now leaving the time where a generation of people who were around ~12-13 or so played GTA:SA on release in 2004. It's just an old game, man. The majority of the playerbase of the server has grown out of it - Argonath is an environment ideal for teenagers to play with rules like no flaming, no offending others, no cursing, and a rules/admin policy that frankly nobody who isn't a teenager is willing to deal with (rules defined on the fly or (e.g.) set out on page 76 of that one topic in that one post that actually contradicts page 54 of the same topic with no clarification).

RS5 was just the straw that broke the camel's back, it's like if you released a sequel of a game into a very niche genre that isn't popular anymore but you changed everything about the game. You alienate what fans you have left, and you don't actually replace them because there is no new audience. Running entirely on a static fanbase isn't sustainable at all, but you'll last just a little bit longer that way.

[.Matthew.]

Yes, SAMP is failing because Argonath playercount is lower 
http://samp.popznet.com/

Maybe it was rather because back then there were 3000 servers and now there's 5000.

[Stivi]

@Stivi: If you really focus on what i said instead of just light-reading, you'd understand that the RS4 /withdraw isn't the same as the RS5 /withdraw. Read my post again and you'll understand.

No, you should go IG and check it out. Because, hey, last time you logged in there was no /withdraw. How could you possibly know that ?

[Cofiliano]

Plenty has changed since then.

Thats nice, but the crucial changes didn't happen yet.

[Mikal]

Thats nice, but the crucial changes didn't happen yet.

'Crucial' change which you can't list?

[Duncan_James]

@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM and i checked out how it was going on. How much was the number of players who were there? Oh yeah, 0. And i've registered after the reset, checked RS5, including the /withdraw command, and it was NOT the same one one as in RS4. Back in RS4 you just go near the ATM, /withdraw, and it's done. Now, you have to go to the bank, make a bank account, set the PIN, go back to the ATM, set your ATM card parameters, and then probably you can withdraw, if i'm not mistaken. See the difference? I hope so. And just an advice, stop defending a policy that has totally proved its failure.

[AK47]

Well I was ingame today and we had over 50 players online.

[Rusty]

@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM

around 4 AM

4 AM

I wonder why there was zero players online then ... oh yes they'd be sleeping do you really think server is going to be populated at 4AM?   

I can't believe you are actually having a bubble over withdrawing money from the bank is this what it's come to now? 

[Bruce.]

@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM and i checked out how it was going on. How much was the number of players who were there? Oh yeah, 0.

Are you serious? Dude it's 4 am and most of the players are from Europe which means people also take a sleep you know? Close their eyes and dream....And USA players are mostly inactive...We had 50 players today and we had two cool events...Find the right time to come in server and see how many players there will be online....

[Mikal]

I wonder why there was zero players online then ... oh yes they'd be sleeping do you really think server is going to be populated at 4AM?   

It signals a huge lack of Australian players.

[Stivi]

@Stivi: I went IG today around 4 AM and i checked out how it was going on. How much was the number of players who were there? Oh yeah, 0. And i've registered after the reset, checked RS5, including the /withdraw command, and it was NOT the same one one as in RS4. Back in RS4 you just go near the ATM, /withdraw, and it's done. Now, you have to go to the bank, make a bank account, set the PIN, go back to the ATM, set your ATM card parameters, and then probably you can withdraw, if i'm not mistaken. See the difference? I hope so. And just an advice, stop defending a policy that has totally proved its failure.

Well yes, then you are dumb. Sorry, I had to.

You can go to the ATM machine and use /atm > Withdraw > amount, or simply use /withdraw [amount]. The only bug there is is that you should always leave $1 in your bank account.

I do see the difference, yes. There's more ways to do something, which suits every player's way to do something. If you like a dialog box, use it. If you like a CMD, use it. If you want to go the bank, do it. 

[ShawmMoe]

'Crucial' change which you can't list?

They need to hit the combination of CTRL + Z .
Saturday morning, around 12AM and less than 20 players online. RS4 would have 70+ and increasing at this time.
But sure, keep on telling us to go ingame instead of debating whilst you ignore the problem; RS5.

RS4 reached its peak back in the days, true. But it dropped for one and one reason only; the hype followed by the dissapointment of RS5.
Minor updates here and there of RS4.1 would have done the job. If you care about increasing the player count, which btw is highly doubtful, you know what to do.
RS4.1 with a reset in stats would surely bring back the competition and fun.

[CharlieKasper]

Saturday morning, around 12AM and less than 20 players online. RS4 would have 70+ and increasing at this time.

RS4 reached its peak back in the days, true. But it dropped for one and one reason only; the hype followed by the dissapointment of RS5.

no fucking shit sherlock. Thank you for telling us that RS5 has less players than RS4 and why it happened. We did not know, captain.

RS4 won't happen, even if you capture Putin and ask for RS4.

[ShawmMoe]

no f**king shit sherlock. Thank you for telling us that RS5 has less players than RS4 and why it happened. We did not know, captain.

RS4 won't happen, even if you capture Putin and ask for RS4.

Was only stating the obvious. If the most obvious doesn't appeal to the managers+ then oh well, you might as well throw the thread in the ocean