We have to get the server back in line.

[.Matthew.]

Maybe you should look a bit outside rather than just in the hallway of Argonath RPG.

http://samp.popznet.com/

Only thing that lost players is Argonath. And that is mostly due to RS5 which most of them hated for some reason.

[Axison]

I don't see any recent history of your posts being deleted from this topic.

Hmm, so posts are randomly disappearing...?

[Pingster]

There's no more to tell, RS5 is great, it's the players that refuse to play it that are the problem!

Some choice of words you have there, it's no one's obligation to play it.

Most people gave it a fair shot, myself included (heck, more than a fair shot), and at the end of the day, decided not to play it. So what's changed now? Instead of everyone driving around in fire trucks, now everyone drives around in roadtrains and linerunners? Rushing like hell back to the trucking points instead of fire stations? Helluva RP at the weight check points instead of fire missions?

For a game mode that's supposed to be a complete overhaul and improvement of scripts, it leaves a damn lot to be desired, even 9 months after it's release. But then again, I can't imagine DLs and CLs being able to go far with introducing new things when the person in charge of approving and guiding all the releases has grown out of SA:MP as well.

[IrOnMiNd]

Hi, where may I see if the server is online? And, is this (samp.argonathrpg.com:7777) the ip of the game?

[Axison]

Hi, where may I see if the server is online? And, is this (samp.argonathrpg.com:7777) the ip of the game?

The server was moved to a temporary IP : 92.222.221.246:7777

[ShawmMoe]

I stopped playing SA:MP some time ago, even before RS5. So therefore, I cannot say that the reason I stopped playing SA:MP was because I disliked RS5. However, after some time I often lose interest in playing the same game. It took me a long time to lose interest in SA:MP, but it eventually happened.

As did so many others. If I may take a guess, then I would say you lost interest at the time when the talk about RS5 was at its highest. People went nuts as RS5 was delayed time and time again. Talk about any game normally settles down after its release. Notice how hot the discussion about RS5 was before its release and yet people to this day still talk about it 

However, games don't stay popular forever.

If the people who run the game dissapear, then yea chances are their game doesn't stay popular.
Either way, Argo SA:MP could have been at much much better state than it is now. Fact.

[Kostas]

Pingster no I did not make this topic to point out the wrong opinions of other people. If I did it I'm sorry, it just happens to be what I believe. Also the script may or may not be good, this is not what I care about and obviously not what many care about. The thing is that it is not attractive, and I will be fair with you. I'm only here for my friends and the groups nothing more. The trucker script is nice, but it's also borring just like the fire script. No I do not know how to make them more fun... I also find collecting drugs borring, but many are blinded of the cash it gives and do it anyway. The only money making way that I don't find borring is the police job and the drug dealer job(the ones who only buy it). If we want more players, we have to make it more attractive ... ANd yeah people going arround with trucks is no difference to people waiting outside of any FD and then going crazy when a fire comes out. It did raise our member count, but it made no difference to the RP rate in many cases...

[Mikal]

Pingster no I did not make this topic to point out the wrong opinions of other people. If I did it I'm sorry, it just happens to be what I believe. Also the script may or may not be good, this is not what I care about and obviously not what many care about. The thing is that it is not attractive, and I will be fair with you. I'm only here for my friends and the groups nothing more. The trucker script is nice, but it's also borring just like the fire script. No I do not know how to make them more fun... I also find collecting drugs borring, but many are blinded of the cash it gives and do it anyway. The only money making way that I don't find borring is the police job and the drug dealer job(the ones who only buy it). If we want more players, we have to make it more attractive ... ANd yeah people going arround with trucks is no difference to people waiting outside of any FD and then going crazy when a fire comes out. It did raise our member count, but it made no difference to the RP rate in many cases...

If you just sit round the forums moaning the server won't get any better, you moan about the player count and yet you're never in-game, I've only been unbanned for a week or two and I've already noticed the player count rising, and also, make jobs less boring by roleplaying or working with other people.

[Pingster]

Division/Community leaders and the managers need to forget about Gandalf and start doing what they think is right by them and the players, what's the point of the position otherwise? If everyone keeps waiting for him to return until something happens, well, we can wait until the end of the time, with no results.

All the big talk about roadplan and other whatnot from Gandalf, and nothing is happening still. Why do you think people gave up on RS5? All the effort into making a versatile script that would be the final purely because it's got infrastructure for doing everything your heart desires, and yet nothing is happening. Let's wait then. Been waiting 9 months so far, he showed up for a couple of days, now what, keep waiting another 9 months? 18 months?

[Kostas]

If you just sit round the forums moaning the server won't get any better, you moan about the player count and yet you're never in-game, I've only been unbanned for a week or two and I've already noticed the player count rising, and also, make jobs less boring by roleplaying or working with other people.

THat's the funny part, I was active. I went inactive for like a week now due to a new game called Archeage... And about the roleplay part... why do you think I'm in the Hinterland Logistics? Anyway, adding RP is the only way to make them more fun, but they are made out of routines... I hate routines. And the server has been raising since the day this topic was made(just a coincidence).
I still do think that we should make it more attractive.

[AK47]

start doing what they think is right by them and the players,

Yes

[Pandalink]

7. The amount of thanklessness and ingratitude in this community is way too much. The staff are not perfect; they are not robots, and they are humans with feelings and flaws too. But all of them, from the newest moderator up to Aragorn and Gandalf give plenty of our free time, effort, and -in some cases- money (without any return) to make this community possible.

Every player gives their free time and effort in the same way.
Being a mod or admin is not some really hard work job that you need to be "thanked" for doing, and if you think it is then you shouldn't be one.
Complimented on good performance? Sure. But thanked merely for being an admin? Why?

If somebody gives you a gift at Christmas, you thank them and accept it graciously even if you don't like it, because it's the thought that counts and the person giving it to you is someone you care about, so that's just what you do.
The same is not true of something like the scripts or admin work. It is not the thought that counts, the results are what matter and if people don't like the results then they aren't going to lie about it and be thankful.

[=AV=Rob]

Division/Community leaders and the managers need to forget about Gandalf and start doing what they think is right by them and the players, what's the point of the position otherwise? If everyone keeps waiting for him to return until something happens, well, we can wait until the end of the time, with no results.

All the big talk about roadplan and other whatnot from Gandalf, and nothing is happening still. Why do you think people gave up on RS5? All the effort into making a versatile script that would be the final purely because it's got infrastructure for doing everything your heart desires, and yet nothing is happening. Let's wait then. Been waiting 9 months so far, he showed up for a couple of days, now what, keep waiting another 9 months? 18 months?

Why did most people give up on RS5? RS5 was made the way the Owner wanted it instead of how the players and scriptwriters wanted it and now look at the player base. Sure he is the owner and he can have things how he likes but he doesn't actually play SA:MP.
The community leaders should make decisions for the benefits of the players and themselves without having to consult the owner, that's why those ranks exist imo.

[Frank_Hawk]

RS5 was the wrong decision at the wrong time with the wrong people.

Strategically, it was the worst decision the HQ made collectively to date.

Seeing the damage in-game, the wider community attempted to overturn it:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103727.msg1659897#msg1659897

Despite the overwhelming majority for RS4, we remained on RS5.

RS5 was not as successful as its predecessor because:

-   RS4 functionality was stripped out of RS5 without proper or agreed justification
-   Requirements / new features were ‘secretly’ agreed and not made transparent
-   Lack of support for groups who were the back bone of RS4 (i.e. Gvardia, Corleone)
-   Pre-mature implementation (the code base was not ready for a full release)
-   Economic stagnation owing to outdated restrictions enforced by Gandalf
-   Loyal and respected players left due to the inconsideration bestowed to them
-   Tight and unrealistic conditions on those who qualify for in-game funding
-   SA:MP’s deteriorating standing in the gaming world
-   It was the wrong decision, at the wrong time with the wrong people.

In hope of a remediation plan – what do you all suggest?

[Kaze]

RS5 was the wrong decision at the wrong time with the wrong people.

Strategically, it was the worst decision the HQ made collectively to date.

Seeing the damage in-game, the wider community attempted to overturn it:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103727.msg1659897#msg1659897

Despite the overwhelming majority for RS4, we remained on RS5.

RS5 was not as successful as its predecessor because:

-   RS4 functionality was stripped out of RS5 without proper or agreed justification
-   Requirements / new features were ‘secretly’ agreed and not made transparent
-   Lack of support for groups who were the back bone of RS4 (i.e. Gvardia, Corleone)
-   Pre-mature implementation (the code base was not ready for a full release)
-   Economic stagnation owing to outdated restrictions enforced by Gandalf
-   Loyal and respected players left due to the inconsideration bestowed to them
-   Tight and unrealistic conditions on those who qualify for in-game funding
-   SA:MP’s deteriorating standing in the gaming world
-   It was the wrong decision, at the wrong time with the wrong people.

In hope of a remediation plan – what do you all suggest?

This summarised it all up. I would still prefer RS4 to return. It's just a shame the HQ are too arrogant.