Criminal / family group support

[TiMoN]

Here's a solution to everything, hire scripters who can get this wagon moving again. We don't need free money, we need actual, bug-less ways to earn it. And the ideas board is full of them.

[Cyril]

Here's a solution to everything, hire scripters who can get this wagon moving again. We don't need free money, we need actual, bug-less ways to earn it. And the ideas board is full of them.

Scripters who want to help are free to talk to Gimli and show what they are capable of.

[KelviNC]

Here's a solution to everything, hire scripters who can get this wagon moving again. We don't need free money, we need actual, bug-less ways to earn it. And the ideas board is full of them.

This is want most of the players are trying to explain since the last 3-4 pages.

[Marcel]

No money is being injected. All the money is already in the system, that's why we can't spawn it.

In my message, injecting wasn't meant as spawning. The Bank of Argonath gets income from ATM usage and loans, which means that the government has money to spend, doesn't it? (correct me if i'm wrong, please). If that is indeed the case, that money can be used for minor injections to good initiatives by players. Just minor pushes, enough to steer the economy into a certain direction which is beneficial for the entire playerbase. Personal enrichment as a result of these injections can either be punishable as script abuse or subject to legal repercussions (court, hint hint).

Seeing as this is currently a hot topic with many people having different opinions, i think it is a good idea to have this topic open for anyone who has a constructive opinion, willing to solve this "problem" (is it actually a problem or are we just thinking the wrong way?).

[TiMoN]

Scripters who wants to help are free to talk to Gimli and show what they are capable of.

No. They'll get rejected with pathetic excuses like "we don't need scripters", "we got enough scripters", "we got a lot of active scripters and we don't need more"
 

[Cyril]

No. They'll get rejected with pathetic excuses like "we don't need scripters", "we got enough scripters", "we got a lot of active scripters and we don't need more"
 

Then if the person leading the scripting team thinks he has enough scripters, it's his right. He knows better than us after all.

[KelviNC]

Scripters who want to help are free to talk to Gimli and show what they are capable of.

Are we allowed to invite scripters to the community? We need a strong answer. What if I invited them here to the community and they got rejected for the reasons that TiMoN stated.

[Pingster]

I said BSF will not return which means it will not return, you don't need to try and throw yourself into matters that don't concern you.

It's called 'Offering ideas', still haven't seen a reason to believe you don't need them, though pretty sure you'd ignore them based on them coming from me, not based on content anyway. Whatever reasons you have not to support BSF, you have to recognise the need for one, or at least a similar system, one that would reward players and promote RP at the same time, otherwise you have people asking about enforcing RP, since there's not enough of it otherwise. Suppose that's a better situation.

While I have your attention, what happened to

2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.

Because seriously, you're everything but saying "I'm leader, you're not, shut up" whenever I say anything.

No. They'll get rejected with pathetic excuses like "we don't need scripters", "we got enough scripters", "we got a lot of active scripters and we don't need more"

Have you never spoken to Gimli before? D:

[Rusty]

So yeah, BSF. Just needs more active control over who deserves money, more active than it was before, where no one actually gave two f**ks and the management never logged on.

Really you could just set-up a group for BSF in-game and allow specific people to withdraw money from the group bank account.  Panel logs all transactions as it is so anyone trying to "steal" from it would easily be banned and have their inventory wiped.  BSF was never led properly during RS4, money was hoarded up by those who were supposed to issue it, I can see why we (SA:MP HQ) are against bringing it back even if it is some sort of last hope.

Other ways to earn are needed/current one's tweaked for the time being.  We have a pretty nice trucking script which I can think of a dozen ideas to add to it, hijacking loads from truck drivers and sell to some sort of "black market" for a tidy sum is one example.  The whole business script could do with work to finally make businesses earn, people sitting with them can't do much right now except watch as people enter and that money they spent disappear into thin air instead of lining their pockets.

If we are giving support to groups then maybe we should do the same for businesses, in hind sight it's only fair.

[TiMoN]

Then if the person leading the scripting team thinks he has enough scripters, it's his right. He knows better than us after all.

Name one single scripter that has done anything to the server in the last month.

[KelviNC]

Then if the person leading the scripting team thinks he has enough scripters, it's his right. He knows better than us after all.

Thinks? Do they even think what they are doing? I think we need someone to wake them up, shake their heads. If he says that he got much scripters then where's the work? Much..

[TiMoN]

Have you never spoken to Gimli before? D:

Three times, rejected each time with a similar excuse. Also talked to Zaila like two times already.

[Pingster]

Really you could just set-up a group for BSF in-game and allow specific people to withdraw money from the group bank account. 

Ohhhh yes, completely forgot about that system.

It doesn't have to be a 'last hope', if properly monitored, managed and controlled, BSF can be the most valuable asset to the RP on Argonath - actually look into what the businesses are doing (instead of whatever system was there before, post 3 screenshots of you 'RPing' that will never be viewed by anyone to be eligible for your paycheck, and at the end of the month, just ask Gimli for 3 million and do whatever you want with it), award the businesses based on productivity rather than amount of workers there, and have the business owners manage their income as best they can, lay off people if they have to and so on.

Point being, it doesn't have to be people being in 10 businesses to collect an arbitrary number from each one every month, it can be an economic plan where people who know economics and business management will strive, instead of people who know that hiring new players is good, because they will probably quit and never collect their money.

If we are giving support to groups then maybe we should do the same for businesses, in hind sight it's only fair.

Not only fair, it would solve a bunch of issues.

Three times, rejected each time with a similar excuse. Also talked to Zaila like two times already.

Oh that's weird, I think he's one of the most sensible person to talk about things like that.


Edit: Another way to use group script would be to have businesses have their own groups, where a BSF representative would have a position with access to their bank account to put the money into, AND access to BSF bank account to withdraw from, that would limit the amount of unnecessary access to too much money.

[Devin]

Thinks? Do they even think what they are doing? I think we need someone to wake them up, shake their heads. If he says that he got much scripters then where's the work? Much..

I could always ask what you are doing on Paruni if you would like?

[Kessu]

Three times, rejected each time with a similar excuse. Also talked to Zaila like two times already.

You've gotten rejected from the scripting team?

Let me be completely straight with you, if you came to ask me to script the server I'm leading and you have this attitude on forums I'd tell you to fuck off from my sight.