Criminal / family group support

[Mr. Goobii]

Dead man walking, dead man walking! Soon, very soon. The dead man walks toward a dead end.

rip.

[TiMoN]

You've gotten rejected from the scripting team?

Let me be completely straight with you, if you came to ask me to script the server I'm leading and you have this attitude on forums I'd tell you to f**k off from my sight.

A "f**k off" is still better than this, at least because I can tell you to f**k off back.

Now watch this post get deleted and yours kept by our dear fair forum mods.

[Stivi]

A-team, you don't need money because you do admin work. I would prefer being stricter, but at lesst we have them Thank you for the contribution, but I think it's not the topic about you, because you might not feel the need of money.


Now, Rusty mentioned a good point. Official familes need a lot of motivation and I know this because I'm in one. And, I'm not asking for money. I said this before this topic got mainstream, but I'll repat. We need ways, solutions, to inject money into the server, and by that I don't mean spawning them. How can we do this, but due to current scripters being away/busy, within current script capabilities ? Drugs.
They don't influence the Argonath Bank monetary value, so there's still place for paydays, etc. They are money spawned in the server, as if they come from another state. ( exporting drugs, as gandalf said. ) Recognized groups have no difference with Official groups, despite one less vehicle. ( rewarded by hq)  Increasing the drug market price for official groups, I think will improve the server's atmosphere, will inject more money to groups, and to freelancers. That is the only way. Because having a low price will kill us all. Slowly, but it will.

[Kessu]

Increasing the drug market price for official groups, I think will improve the server's atmosphere, will inject more money to groups, and to freelancers. That is the only way. Because having a low price will kill us all. Slowly, but it will.

The fact that "only official" groups should get increased income from drugs somewhat bothers me. Why is there any need to differentiate groups from one another more than there already is?

I'm fairly sure that giving "official groups" increased bonuses all the time will not help the server, it'll just make your day easier.

[Kaze]

To make life simpler for both parties (HQ and the community), Gandalf should pay all the scripters $50 for their ''hard'' work making/developing RS5. This way the scripters cant chat shit about ''Oh we are very offended, we spend ages doing this for free''. After this has been done, we simply return to RS4 where Argonath was a happy place to be.

To make this fair for Gandalf, some of us that have jobs in real life should chip in a maximum of $5. After the scripters are paid off, RS4 returns. Before RS4 returns, Gandalf needs to once and for all make a list of rules that are and not allowed in the server. There are so many occassions where HQ take matters into their own hands and make rules on the spot. And yes, before you start to jump to conclusions I will happily donate £5.

I'm gonna make an example of this by using DHR Marcel's recent unban request. If someone finds me an Argonath rule that you can not make fun of the server's script then I'll hand in my request to be permanently community banned. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of the HQ members, I'm just generalising.

If you want to take this as a provocation, be my guest. I'm just here voicing my opinion. Argonath turned into some Stalin type of shit, we need it back to Democracy NOW before the community starts crashing down.

[Devin]

I'm gonna make an example of this by using DHR Marcel's recent unban request. If someone finds me an Argonath rule that you can not make fun of the server's script then I'll hand in my request to be permanently community banned. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of the HQ members, I'm just generalising.

If want to be here I would advise you to not put your nose where it does not belong. There is far more at play than a simple video that led to the ban.

[Kaze]

If want to be here I would advise you to not put your nose where it does not belong. There is far more at play than a simple video that led to the ban.

Fair enough, there may be more to it than just a video but you just proven what I had to say. 'If you want to be here', I take that as a threat and I dont think there IS a rule that I can get banned or w/e for giving my opinion on a player's unban. Do you understand where I am coming from?

If you are being provoked, please let me know so I can stop. My intentions are not to provoke but to give my opinion in our crisis.


At the end of the day.. (quote from a Gulucan member)

all the admins can fuke off you are all liers

[Rusty]

A-team, you don't need money because you do admin work. I would prefer being stricter, but at lesst we have them Thank you for the contribution, but I think it's not the topic about you, because you might not feel the need of money.


Now, Rusty mentioned a good point. Official familes need a lot of motivation and I know this because I'm in one. And, I'm not asking for money. I said this before this topic got mainstream, but I'll repat. We need ways, solutions, to inject money into the server, and by that I don't mean spawning them. How can we do this, but due to current scripters being away/busy, within current script capabilities ? Drugs.
They don't influence the Argonath Bank monetary value, so there's still place for paydays, etc. They are money spawned in the server, as if they come from another state. ( exporting drugs, as gandalf said. ) Recognized groups have no difference with Official groups, despite one less vehicle. ( rewarded by hq)  Increasing the drug market price for official groups, I think will improve the server's atmosphere, will inject more money to groups, and to freelancers. That is the only way. Because having a low price will kill us all. Slowly, but it will.

Not because we are in the Administration team that we don't need money, personally I simply have no need for it I don't wish to have multiple vehicles or properties or even buy weapons and drugs.  Four years ago sure I'd have been working ass off to buy a Buffalo and a house to store my weapons in but reality hit me that why am I wasting time working in a game when I have better stuff to do that needs my attention?  I barely play compared to what I used, I only come online to conduct Manager work and what not. 

Prices for the drug market change every five days or whatever (can't mind exact) it's far to long for people to wait when they have stocked up enough to sell on but find that they got shit price and have to wait another five days to chance it or sell to a player.  IMHO should be changed each day or every six hours, no-one can complain at that.  Without businesses earning anything it hampers people who own them, think of all the profit owners have lost in last ten months?  There is ways to earn they simply need fixed to work.

RS4 had the lottery why don't we have that back? 


Went off-topic at the end there but I can't think of anything more to add to supporting groups, money is the most obvious as is drugs.

[Traser]

Closed until further notice

[Frank_Hawk]

Hi,

Since my last topic was hijacked by the leadership, management and players - I am making a new topic.

To avoid this topic being locked - can I request forum moderators to remove any unrelated posts from this topic. Can I also request the leadership/management team only respond to thought provoking proposals rather than spending time responding to idiotic people. Additionally, can I also request players to withhold positing unless it's constructive to the conversation.

Problem statement:
The Argonath SA:MP community faces a unprecedented challenges ahead. SA:MP is in heavy decline and we have lost countless players since the introduction of RS5. RS5 has its own set of challenges, which can be described as a product which is not yet finished. It's clear that it will be a very long time until we have the finished product and it may not even be achievable since the SA:MP scripting team's productivity has slowed down drastically in terms of resolving defects and introducing enhancements as promised. This is understandable given the level of criticism towards them which hasn't helped to boost morale resulting in a lose, lose outcome for the community. We need to come up with a solution, which allows organic growth in the community, but also makes us attractive to new players and beyond. We need to do this to keep our legacy alive and to avoid us turning into a community which will be in a irreversible state of decline.

What do we do now?
With the SA:MP scripting team's productivity being at a all time low, there are still many elements of functionality that is missing particularly for criminal / family groups. First of all, we need to understand from the leadership/management what our strategic vision is. Are we a RLRP server or a relatively relaxed RP server? Being a veteran, I can't seem to even answer this question. There are elements of functionality i.e. the bank system which replicate RLRP scenarios while other elements of functionality indicate we are a free roam light RP server (as we have traditionally been) - what are we?

Once we have answered the above, we can start working out solutions to address a number of issues we are experiencing.

In regards to Cofi's points - he is perfectly valid and has come up with a long term solution. However with the current level of morale and available resource in the SA:MP scripting team, this is simply not prudent in the short term. And to a degree, even I don't believe we will have much 'buy in' for this, especially given the traditional lean towards law enforcement in our community.

DHR.Marcel suggested a very good idea which I'd like to bring to your attention as a community:

I think the current system with recognized and official groups is fine. It shortens the process of obtaining support which was very lengthy or even near impossible in RS4 and before. In my opinion, a form of monetary support for business can be done, but it will require a very strict and transparent approval process, something which i think is very hard.

Minor boosts to the economy and drug market can solve this problem. Monitor the amount of cash in hands, banks and see how much moves around. If a majority of the money becomes idle, stop injecting into the economy and create means for it to be spent and used. This is where a group of people with knowledge of economy comes in handy. Get together once every two weeks, discuss the current situation with HQ and set goals for the next two weeks. This will install a stable economy where prices and activity are in balance and as such, a fertile soil for server growth in general will be set, creating reasons for new players to stick around and raise the server population in general.

What is the view on DHR.Marcel's suggestion above?

Ultimately, in my view - we need a short term solution to the problems we are facing. We have very limited SA:MP scripting team support and whatever support we do have in place will not meet the demands of the players. We need to seek out alternative solutions which don't involve development support. DHR.Mike's idea is very good and I'm sure manageable for the leadership team to regulate.

Happy to hear your thoughts.

[Conroy]

http://wiki.sa-mp.com/wiki/Scripting_Basics

[Marcel]

Hint hint, i'm not DHR.Mike But yes, you formulated the problem very clearly. We can build upon the basic idea that i posted earlier. What should be extended and improved upon that?

[Zaila]

Topic unlocked again.

[Teddy]

I don't think that we need more scripters,I believe that  current scripters can change the server, all we need to do is just little patch up in our server as I said that business profit script and few more for our criminal groups and as Gimli recommended the bank robbery script if this kind of few scripts come then you all will see the difference in playerbase

lol

[stormeus]

To make life simpler for both parties (HQ and the community), Gandalf should pay all the scripters $50 for their ''hard'' work making/developing RS5. This way the scripters cant chat shit about ''Oh we are very offended, we spend ages doing this for free''. After this has been done, we simply return to RS4 where Argonath was a happy place to be.

>implying scripters are slaves
>implying scripters are not volunteers who willingly devote time to improving the server
>implying this greentext is even appropriate here

Is group status really so important that you deserve free money and increased drug money? HQs are your reward for being a cooperative and active roleplay group, adding benefits to make things easier for groups only alienates new players and doesn't help anything.