/rhl Suggestion

[Spike.]

you are the type of cop who wants money without competition. the cop and criminal scenario is very much biased now, evident enough. ggwp once again i would rather gather a group of 6-7 guys now and go on a mass DM spree after getting suspected. 30mins RHL is fair now

peace out

Excuse me ? Money ?
What would I get for increase a suspect's /rhl?
Maybe you should think twice before stating these useless arguments towards other don't you think ?
From what I have seen criminals are the only ones looking for money and mass DM, mainly a kidnap end in a chase/shoot out and the hostage killed, not to talk about robberies which always end up in a shoot-out no matter what. Both side (Specially Free cops) break the rules, but don't bring up that crap to other people stating "Money hungry" honestly I haven't seen a single RP that was worth it from criminals, and certainly not form you. I guess your kind of "RP" is a call trough 911 and a few shots here, a few shots there.

And next time take a few seconds and read what I said before stating any other useless commentary.
Just in case you can't read:

I stated 30 minutes as an example, could be more or could be less, but don't expect to be away from the cops 5 minutes and escape.

[AhmadLov]

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[Mark]

Lmao , are you really comparing this to RL? Stop trying to simulate real life. 30 minutes of rhl is the worst idea to apply , you are gonna destroy the already damaged balance between cops and criminals.

I have been in both sides , and i can tell you that without criminals cops get annoyed easily. So let's not always claim to "surrend and stay silent or be a real criminal" because it's not always the case (there are cases where you can tell it , but not in this by my opnion).

[superh2o]

What is a real criminal? a Shootouter? a Player who /gues for every SU possible? a Hostage killer who wants Argo $$ not the RP one? a player who don't follow rules? Well?

What do you think? let me tell you Criminals are player who wanna RP a criminal activity's, and getting sued for evading a traffic stop isn't a criminal activity, its a lets blow some steam off while ramming with cops.

Why you think more and more groups are closing there Criminal rp to family only?
I was the 1st to put to vote to abandon public crime RP, why?
I don't wanna get sued and shoot at then call it a RP, yeah we kidnap ppl, but we do that for informations/just fun RP.
At most 1 of us gets sued if the RP goes that way that the hostage wants to run and has to be shoot down.
We use masks all the time when we do a criminal RP, yet cops don't care about that.

They see orange they shoot, why do they complain when orange see blue and shoot?

I seen many times that the "criminals" are bad boys, and police is just doing there job, as we all have our own opinions what is a true criminal what is a true officer.

Guys you gotta give some to get some, i personally don't care if i do a criminal RP, a casual RP or RP a frekin lift off to Mars , why don't you all calm down this topic has gonna so far from idea discussion it should be locked 5 posts ago...

[DinoKid23]

Adding this would create laziness within the cops.  If someone at MGS does the command,  /rhl (ID) and see that the suspect only has 1 minute left while being on second island they probably won't chase them.


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[psyron]

Excuse me ? Money ?
What would I get for increase a suspect's /rhl?
Maybe you should think twice before stating these useless arguments towards other don't you think ?
From what I have seen criminals are the only ones looking for money and mass DM, mainly a kidnap end in a chase/shoot out and the hostage killed, not to talk about robberies which always end up in a shoot-out no matter what. Both side (Specially Free cops) break the rules, but don't bring up that crap to other people stating "Money hungry" honestly I haven't seen a single RP that was worth it from criminals, and certainly not form you. I guess your kind of "RP" is a call trough 911 and a few shots here, a few shots there.

im a criminal IG for a reason, there is a wep dealer for a reason and youre a cop for a reason. deal with it. if i was hunting for money, i would have been the richest player in the game yet. you dont know my past, you dont know how I RP and you dont know what i have been through so dont even get there. i remember a RP coming from you when i was a medic, i was at the hospital and you my friend(high rank officer) came out of nowhere and asking me "hey do you have weed?" (with megaphone)  and then /su me without any solid information against me. thanks to mihail who unsuspected me right away. so yea, i give it back to you...

honestly I haven't seen a single RP that was worth it from criminals cops, and certainly not form you.

sorry for going off topic but hey, the RHL needs to be optimized for better gameplay and no bias. thats my opinion. i also know a few of the cops would also agree on this, but dont think i can name them

[Spike.]

im a criminal IG for a reason, there is a wep dealer for a reason and youre a cop for a reason. deal with it. if i was hunting for money, i would have been the richest player in the game yet. you dont know my past, you dont know how I RP and you dont know what i have been through so dont even get there. i remember a RP coming from you when i was a medic, i was at the hospital and you my friend(high rank officer) came out of nowhere and asking me "hey do you have weed?" (with megaphone)  and then /su me without any solid information against me. thanks to mihail who unsuspected me right away. so yea, i give it back to you...

The crime was totally valid, and mihail was informed why so. After all you shouldn't had been un-suspected, due no investigation, Anyways the was the past. Now don't bring up that shit because of a situation which went wrong for you. After all you ran. Now I advice you to drop this conversation and do not judge my RP mr. knows everything, you clearly think RP is CnR. (Roleplay for 5 minutes and then a shootout)


Anyways, the /rhl should stay for criminals only. As it was said before, criminals know their stuff, cops theirs.

[hurricane]

They just opened not a week ago, so they are still doing briefings and all their trainings and stuff. The problem is that officers can only be in one division and many choose NOOSE and not HSRD. Now the only way would not be carkilling but for example you are in a chase and the suspect gets out of the car and kills an officer, that would be when the minutes are added and not when you carkill a random civilian.


Note:

 Keep in mind that Senior Officers+ may use buffalos in such situations.

NOOSE applications are closed and this division is formed and functional, so there is nothing to choose from. Besides, the HSRD is what the server really needs now (with police Comets or Coquettes or whatever, to make it balanced between police and criminals).
Keep in mind that white FBIs for LCPD are almost the same as police cruisers in performance. So there is no sense at all to swap a cruiser for white FBI during a chase.

Well as i dont wish to argue with you as we will end up chasing our own tails.

Increase in RHL will destroy the little balance that exists in Suspects vs Officers chases.
 For following reasons, you cant fight with the Police (your RLH skyrockets, free cops rejoin RP and any given time,while if i die as SU i'm out of RP for good. Officers get free fill up at PDs and that fill up is instant, and yet they complain when suspects do the same and buy fuel from mechanics, officers pack far bigger firepower then suspects in any situation.
For suspects that might rival the normal officers you have Noose with Anni, who so far just kills the suspects in 5-10min. HSRD will at least make things equal (we will have better chases) and Noose might stop using the Anni a bit as its getting unfair.)

But also we cant blaim officers for being good, as they put a lot of time in training at least its nice to see its paying off.

There that's how things are at this moment regarding police vs criminals power and perks.

If you keep boosting Police power, you will face the situation that the criminal side will quit.

One one likes to charge at windmills.

Yes, officers have free fillup at PD but the key word is PD, that means they have to get there first.
Greater firepower? Police gets shotgun and a pistol only (LCPD gets mp5 also). All the crime families are always armed with same shotguns and sometimes even ak47s/m4s which even exceeds the police firepower. So what perks are you talking about?
In case you will talk about reward and money things, I would remind you about robberries where you can get up to 10k from one robbery per person, drugs/guns deals, contract kills , other businesses, hostage ransom cash payed by FBI. And of course, law enforcer's -500 risk on every step she or he makes (even if it's not their fault).
I don't see a reason why the criminal side complains about a balance shift because it is sometimes shifted to them:v: Unless you guys want to bring back that chaos of constant robberies or something like that.

And for those who can't escape a cruiser driving an Infernus or Comet, I suggest changing their /rhl to 1 second so they could be happy and feel

Spoiler for Hiden:

 

[BojanS]

You can't know everything! 

[superh2o]

Yes, officers have free fillup at PD but the key word is PD, that means they have to get there first.
Greater firepower? Police gets shotgun and a pistol only (LCPD gets mp5 also). All the crime families are always armed with same shotguns and sometimes even ak47s/m4s which even exceeds the police firepower. So what perks are you talking about?
In case you will talk about reward and money things, I would remind you about robberries where you can get up to 10k from one robbery per person, drugs/guns deals, contract kills , other businesses, hostage ransom cash payed by FBI. And of course, law enforcer's -500 risk on every step she or he makes (even if it's not their fault).
I don't see a reason why the criminal side complains about a balance shift because it is sometimes shifted to them:v: Unless you guys want to bring back that chaos of constant robberies or something like that.

And for those who can't escape a cruiser driving an Infernus or Comet, I suggest changing their /rhl to 1 second so they could be happy and feel

Ok since you think this is complaining let me explain and further elaborate why Police will beat Criminals any day of the week.
Lets go step by step.
Every police officer has 150 Pistol rounds and 80 beretta ammo i wont get into Noose LCPD and FBI guns.
Every criminal in best cases has 30 berreta and 50 Ak-47 or M5 or M4, im talking about Lucchese here so don't put screens of other family's, who are not real criminals in my opinion (there are some exceptions of course but most).

Perks are free fuel/guns and you are guarded by a lot more rules.

Regarding robbery, they are manager made must be made when there are 5 or more police officers on.
Police offciers are alerted the moment you step on way point and will race like bullets to the way point location and there are mangers who will only make the mission if all conditions are equal for all players, if there are too many players who are wanted the mission will not be made.
All other things you listed are mostly Pure RP, and make a puny income Weapons/weed.
Kidnapping was only once did for real money, and that was done when Lucchese was just made, never again was any other money requested but RP $

This all isn't a complaint this is how things will be if RHL is raised more then it is now.

I don't wanna mention money here as i think money dosnt play a role in Lucchese way or RP and behaving.

And about risks, well you are right but don't criminals risk a lot too? And i don't mean your shallow opinion what are criminals, you take us for a pile of DMers, we are not, we are equal players like you are.
And for those who cant evade with comets and infs, let me tell you again they are same players as you are you are no better then them.
 
And i wont bother arguing with you no more, i will let actions talk louder then words.

Sorry for going off topic.

[Spike.]

Ok since you think this is complaining let me explain and further elaborate why Police will beat Criminals any day of the week.
Lets go step by step.
Every police officer has 150 Pistol rounds and 80 beretta ammo i wont get into Noose LCPD and FBI guns.
Every criminal in best cases has 30 berreta and 50 Ak-47 or M5 or M4, im talking about Lucchese here so don't put screens of other family's, who are not real criminals in my opinion (there are some exceptions of course but most).

Perks are free fuel/guns and you are guarded by a lot more rules.

Regarding robbery, they are manager made must be made when there are 5 or more police officers on.
Police offciers are alerted the moment you step on way point and will race like bullets to the way point location and there are mangers who will only make the mission if all conditions are equal for all players, if there are too many players who are wanted the mission will not be made.
All other things you listed are mostly Pure RP, and make a puny income Weapons/weed.
Kidnapping was only once did for real money, and that was done when Lucchese was just made, never again was any other money requested but RP $

This all isn't a complaint this is how things will be if RHL is raised more then it is now.

I don't wanna mention money here as i think money dosnt play a role in Lucchese way or RP and behaving.

And about risks, well you are right but don't criminals risk a lot too? And i don't mean your shallow opinion what are criminals, you take us for a pile of DMers, we are not, we are equal players like you are.
And for those who cant evade with comets and infs, let me tell you again they are same players as you are you are no better then them.
 
And i wont bother arguing with you no more, i will let actions talk louder then words.

Sorry for going off topic.

  You are right the problem is that most criminals (Specially the ones which are not in criminal groups) do not follow this example and 75% of the kidnaps I respond to (Which are not organized by a family), specially as a negotiator is "Man, I don't want RP money". Anyways, I think we can't really do anything about it.

[hurricane]

Ok since you think this is complaining let me explain and further elaborate why Police will beat Criminals any day of the week.
Lets go step by step.
Every police officer has 150 Pistol rounds and 80 beretta ammo i wont get into Noose LCPD and FBI guns.
Every criminal in best cases has 30 berreta and 50 Ak-47 or M5 or M4, im talking about Lucchese here so don't put screens of other family's, who are not real criminals in my opinion (there are some exceptions of course but most).

Perks are free fuel/guns and you are guarded by a lot more rules.

Regarding robbery, they are manager made must be made when there are 5 or more police officers on.
Police offciers are alerted the moment you step on way point and will race like bullets to the way point location and there are mangers who will only make the mission if all conditions are equal for all players, if there are too many players who are wanted the mission will not be made.
All other things you listed are mostly Pure RP, and make a puny income Weapons/weed.
Kidnapping was only once did for real money, and that was done when Lucchese was just made, never again was any other money requested but RP $

This all isn't a complaint this is how things will be if RHL is raised more then it is now.

I don't wanna mention money here as i think money dosnt play a role in Lucchese way or RP and behaving.

And about risks, well you are right but don't criminals risk a lot too? And i don't mean your shallow opinion what are criminals, you take us for a pile of DMers, we are not, we are equal players like you are.
And for those who cant evade with comets and infs, let me tell you again they are same players as you are you are no better then them.
 
And i wont bother arguing with you no more, i will let actions talk louder then words.

Sorry for going off topic.

I would say the same to you, that you aren't better than other players at all and you should respect all the other groups/families. And those other families (whom you don't consider criminals) usually posess more ammount of guns/bullets than you mentioned.

Regarding robberies, you described how it should be in theory and I agree with that but in reality happens this:


 
Not to mention the carkillers that officers often chase instead of going for robbers unless some command staff points them to go for robbers.

Kidnapping for RP money? All the hostage situations/terrorist bomb threats/etc since the end of spring are made with demands of real money. I don't want to post ss on those but I can if needed and I mean ALL. And if not all, (if you claim your guys do it for RP cash) then it's about 95% . And sometimes it happens one after another. I have enough cash even to give it out for RPs so it's not a problem for me but I seriously can't remember a kidnap for RP cash.
Instead of showing disrespect, you could just show them/teach them if you think your ideas of rp is better than theirs, share experience.

The idea of increasing /rhl was just to make:

a) Less copbaiters - people will think twice before attracting police attention because of higher risks to get caught.

b) Less freeroamers - some people are just speeding all the time, carkilling or ramming"by accident" and never stop if police is pulling them over. Because they don't care. 15 minutes is nothing for most people.

c) Less "accidental" carkills - people would slow down when it's needed (they can still speed when there is noone in danger of being hit)

d) Less intentional carkills or murders to get suspected. (admins can't see everything)

It was meant to bring more peace and love to the server.  But it all went the way of complaining about balance and that 15 minutes of /rhl (or more) is too much for a criminal to escape a cruiser with a supercar.

Peace.

[psyron]

me and my previous gangs have always accepted RP money. its always better if we get real money but nobody is willing to pay up real money hence we ignore that. it usualy becomes a DM coz some freecop comes in ruins the RP with a few shots we had to shoot back but i dont blame them. freecops should be handled by high rank officers in anyway they can, just like a criminal group handles its members (can be argued as freecops can be anybody). few of the cops with whom i RP'ed with know how its done and i enjoy getting jailed every now and then. DM is always an option after getting suspected. you should also know that criminals have no income, we have to buy every weapon, buy fuel etc. and the robbery script, i dont even wana talk about it

i dont belong to a group anymore nor i have enough intimate friends in IVMP with whom i can conduct a robbery/kidnap. as for me, im a one man army(for now) and i will use my force against the blue icons if things go wrong.

  You are right the problem is that most criminals (Specially the ones which are not in criminal groups) do not follow this example and 75% of the kidnaps I respond to (Which are not organized by a family), specially as a negotiator is "Man, I don't want RP money". Anyways, I think we can't really do anything about it.

if they dont want RP money, dont give them nothing. kill them all if you have to. you are given free weps for a reason

[superh2o]

Again, as i stated i can only claim things regarding Lucchese as i only know them well enough.

I respect all family and groups, but i don't share there ideas of what is a criminal, and the reason they dont share my idea of criminal is why they carry so much guns that a small army can be equipped with them (as you staited).

You cant teach players who don't wanna learn, and i don't blame them as that is there choice.

Freeroam is allowed on server, and the carkillers/rammers don't stick around for long any ways.

I dont see a reason why basic 10min of /rhl are not sufficient, you get more time if you kill a officer while wanted, so DMers and cop hunters will get the huge rhls, you talk about 15min as its a picnic to lose rhl...

As usual your and mine discussions cant end...
And this has gone a lot of topic, i'm out bye

[psyron]

The idea of increasing /rhl was just to make:

a) Less copbaiters - people will think twice before attracting police attention because of higher risks to get caught.

b) Less freeroamers - some people are just speeding all the time, carkilling or ramming"by accident" and never stop if police is pulling them over. Because they don't care. 15 minutes is nothing for most people.

c) Less "accidental" carkills - people would slow down when it's needed (they can still speed when there is noone in danger of being hit)

d) Less intentional carkills or murders to get suspected. (admins can't see everything)

It was meant to bring more peace and love to the server.  But it all went the way of complaining about balance and that 15 minutes of /rhl (or more) is too much for a criminal to escape a cruiser with a supercar.

Peace.

what about criminals who have intentions to RP? and not just carkill or a mere TS evade? we are suffering for no reason, dont you think its biased?

also, dont mention about a cruiser chasing a supercar. you use the infernus everytime to chase suspects. matter of fact, most cops use supercars to chase criminals. ban the use of supercars for cops, maybe then i will give you my sanction