Difference between being an Admin,and being a Cop.(Forbidding criminal roleplay)

[Fice]

Great statement Cofi, I totally agree with you.

[Kessu]

Me and Dexi went to stop and rob some random trucker.
It was no any diferent rob scenario from any other... we cut the trucker way, we exit the car with the guns in hand and start to ROLEPLAY. And what we get? ASAP /report from the other player "DM" . Why calling them? Call the police. We stoped you, you continued driving, we shot ur tyres. That is NOT dm that is mafia ROLEPLAY !

You got in the way of his money munching, of course he'll report. The greed is unreal these days.

[Khm]

Couldn't agree more about it, lawbreaking is totally different from rule-breaking.

[Marcel]

Good topic Cofi. There should be minimal admin involvement in roleplay. The line between police and admin work is too thin (there even is a admin rank in SAPD nowadays?). There should be either guidlines for reducing this or a complete mentality change.

[Huntsman]

I agree.

[.Diego]

Amen, Cofi.

[Vladislav]

Agreed, unnecessary admin intervention has deterred me from even holding certain kinds of role-plays in the past. Admins are often used as a shield for people who have no willingness to role-play with you. It's because of some of the situations in this topic that groups fear thinking outside the box and we just end up with the same old criminal RP scenarios and are scolded for our "lack of originality."

[Bogomil]

Absolutely agree with Cofiliano !

[saberman]

An admin came up with two reasons to defend a trucker from being robbed... got tempbanned in the end.

Absolutely agree with this.

[Kostas]

A great topic indeed. With a proper statement. Highly supported.

[Devin]

Staff should only involve themselves in a situation should they see rulebreaking. Just because a player reports another for rulebreaking or PMs the admin saying "omg admin hes dming me" or some bullshit along those lines does not necessarily mean there are rules being broken.
I would assume the staff members look into the situation by spectating for a while before actually getting involved with anything and interfering in a situation.

Whoever said that people roleplaying a roadblock should move or get banned should run around flashing their redname elsewhere, preferably not on RS5.

One trend that has grown is players screaming to admins when someone tries to interact with them because "hes dming me/hes harassing me" and other nonsense. Some simply do not understand how a roleplay server work.
It's about time to start enforcing punishment for false reports again so people will learn one way or another when to report and when to actually think.

The only thing that I have to go against is the one about the casinos, sure you can claim its your territory when you don't own it, but you can not go around killing players for not leaving the casino even if you claim its your territory unless you actually own the property.

[Cofiliano]

The only thing that I have to go against is the one about the casinos, sure you can claim its your territory when you don't own it, but you can not go around killing players for not leaving the casino even if you claim its your territory unless you actually own the property.

If you roleplayed it correctly, and you warn those people several times, yes you can, AND SHOULD kill them(ofc not instantly, warning shots, beating up, and as a final measure, killing him), that's what criminals usually do to people who act that way. They don't sit around reading law do they? Also they got all the time in the world to:
1.Move away, or/and
2.Call police, SWAT, FBI, private security, their own mobsters, etc.
3. Fight back for their place into this profitable business.

Being a stubborn clown and not doing any of the things above(with usual screaming /s im just gonna respawn hahahahah, i call admins, u all reported), while surrounded by several criminals, who are into a roleplay with you, aiming at you, and warning you what's gonna happen next, then you deserve to die. And that's criminal roleplay as well, people should deal with it already.

Casinos or dealing weed around GS9 area, doesn't have much difference. And if the Government has a problem with it, I'm sure they'll send their law units on the spot.

On the other hand, when this happen, and admins don't go doing what I'm pointing out they are doing, that will teach those kind of players to roleplay next time properly, not scream for admins when ever the roleplay scenario doesn't suit them.

[Pandalink]

One trend that has grown is players screaming to admins when someone tries to interact with them because "hes dming me/hes harassing me" and other nonsense. Some simply do not understand how a roleplay server work.

What's funny is that if these people get attacked in a roleplay but they fight off their attackers successfully, they don't report a thing. They only report it if they lose that fight.

Everyone needs to understand that /report is not a revenge tool if you lose a fight, lose some money, or generally have a roleplay that doesn't go your way. That's not what admins are for.

[Benn]

It was pleasure reading your point of view and I agree on many you stated above.
But you should understand that citizen's most hated RP scenarios are with criminals since all what happens to them is getting robbed , humiliated or kidnapped by criminals.
Including the fact that when a criminal interact with citizens his hand is always on the gun's trigger waiting for just 1 wrong word comming out from the citizen so he can shoot him.
You should always think what made the citizen report you? he doesn't want to roleplay or he doesn't want to get robbed for the 20th time at the same day?
I suggest you start developing new roleplay scenario where citizens will actually have fun getting robbed and humiliated, when you make the roleplay different, interesting.. the player would have fun even though he is being robbed and pushed and kicked and killed and kidnapped.
as for the Admins matter, I agree.
The staff shouldn't interrupt any roleplay scene unless it is getting out of control and rules are being broken...

[Benn]

On the other hand, when this happen, and admins don't go doing what I'm point out they are doing, that will teach those kind of players to roleplay next time properly, not scream for admins when ever the roleplay scenario doesn't suit them.

Killing is only allowed under RP circumstances you can't just kill someone to teach him a lesson thats against the rules... You're not responsible for punishing a player for a rulebreak (in this case it is "Ignoring RP") thats admins duty so instead of shooting the guys report him for ignoring RP and you won't get punished for DMing