Difference between being an Admin,and being a Cop.(Forbidding criminal roleplay)

[Bruce.]

Can I have some please.

[psyron]

Spoiler for Hiden:

Quoting Devin from a locked unban request topic
"Do you know what they call such people?
[Answer  ]

that hit the spot though 

[Hamza_Khan]

Enough with this shit guys, you all know it is not going to take us anywhere, instead of building more hatred towards eachother, As currently we are in a situation where some section of Staff members hate some section of players, we all know that, but same goes for Some players who, blindly hate staff members, So at this kind of situation we should think of how to cope up with it, not turning every topic into an Cat-dog fight, ( nowadays every topic turns into this ), sometimes Staff do make mistakes  and players should not stick with it like a bee on testicle, and same for admins, as they should accept their mistake by apologizing the player, it will not decrease their respect infront of others, it would be really great if we set up a dialog between players and Leaders, a committee  of players , who would talk to Leaders on weekly bases and discuss the ground reality.

A great post indeed, highlighted some of the facts which are going on.

[Thom]

The problem is, when Admins interfer with criminal RPs, even if you're right(meaning there is no need for staff intereference), some admins, usually, don't get your words even if you're right and even if you're explaining them correct, only because they think they're way is fine. I'm not provoking it's just some honest point out. I haven't seen for a long time, any bank robbery, and i suspect it's for this exact reason.

Argonath has limited only criminals. Officers are free to ruin RPs and abuse their powers. We(Criminals), if a Staff Member finds it no good, are not allowed to do some creative RP that is rarely happening,like bank robbery. Afterall, Police exists because of criminals, and not criminals because of Police.

I believe: If Staff doesn't allow us to do nothing more than evading traffic stops, then there is no need for FBI and SWAT to exist.

[Cyril]

What creativity are you talking about when refering to bank robbery?
The only bank robberies that are denied by administration are the one where criminals gather 25 people, calling 911 or using /ad saying the bank is being robbed and all aiming at the door, waiting for cops to enter to blast them.

If you want to do that, I'm sure you can organize it in paruni server.

[Sandi]

Can I have some please.

[Morais]

It's really sad to see such members that hold somewhat of an administration position coming here just to de-rail the topic.

@RafaDK couldn't agree more with you.

[Cofiliano]

As for the other points. An admin should never stop someone from interacting with other people in a role-play point of view. Blocking the road, asking for taxes, etc, etc, etc. Yet players should also not shoot someone because they do not agree with someone, or claim something as theirs. I do not mind if the players would role-play this properly. For example, coming with a group of 'fat' mafia members and beating the guy up, dragging him out of the building and making sure he doesn't get in. That way you show off an image, just shooting someone in his face just gets them pissed off and makes them return to the situation, even if this is not allowed.

If you roleplayed it correctly, and you warn those people several times, yes you can, AND SHOULD kill them(ofc not instantly, warning shots, beating up, and as a final measure, killing him), that's what criminals usually do to people who act that way. They don't sit around reading law do they? Also they got all the time in the world to:
1.Move away, or/and
2.Call police, SWAT, FBI, private security, their own mobsters, etc.
3. Fight back for their place into this profitable business.

Being a stubborn clown and not doing any of the things above(with usual screaming /s im just gonna respawn hahahahah, i call admins, u all reported), while surrounded by several criminals, who are into a roleplay with you, aiming at you, and warning you what's gonna happen next, then you deserve to die. And that's criminal roleplay as well, people should deal with it already.

We basicly agree on the first part. The second part is important as well tho.



The popcorn pictures were posted by retards in 2010. Find another joke.

What creativity are you talking about when refering to bank robbery?
The only bank robberies that are denied by administration are the one where criminals gather 25 people, calling 911 or using /ad saying the bank is being robbed and all aiming at the door, waiting for cops to enter to blast them.

If you want to do that, I'm sure you can organize it in paruni server.

Stick to posting pop corn pictures. You're a typical example of why this topic was made.



Administration must not denied anything. If we wanna rob with 25 people, and we roleplayed it correctly, you got no right in denying anything.
If we involve cops (which is retarded imo from criminal perspective, but from roleplay perspective, involving cops makes a whole new scenario, with negotiations, making escape plans/making plans to breach in=bigger, better roleplay=more fun for a larger amount of people), that only means the roleplay is going to another level.

When we used to do similiar things in 2010-11 I remember how much fun both sides had, CBF, Vince, and others leading cops side, driving in with boats, airplanes, you name it. We were constantly talking via pm to make sure everything goes smooth, cause its not easy when you have 50 people in one big roleplay It was going on for 2-3 hours constantly, and the roleplay was changing places from San Fierro, to LVAP, to Angel Pine, back to LV and then finally LS. And when I say "roleplay was changing places" I dont mean we ran and they followed us, yet we move the bank hostage to another "more cool" location such as Big Ear, or Mount Chilad, or the tallest building in SF, and then its a completely new scenario. Nowdays we would just get banned for "camping".

 We even kidnapped our friend who was /gu with an Ambulance right infront of SWAT/FBI, and no one complained about it, yet everyone had fun. CBF  and other police Highranks even allowed it, that we "cutt off" his cuffs in roleplay, as long as he doesn't shot cops. We try that nowdays we'll get;
> /id gvard,
> /ban all ids

I remember CBF called it the best roleplay he ever participated, and gave us all a huge cash bonus for it.

[Cyril]

you got no right in denying anything.

Tell me more about it.

[Cofiliano]

Gladly:
Last I remember CL are above managers. Just cause you and your pals decided to throw shit on one of them, and embarrassed the whole HQ and the Community by doing it, doesn't mean others gonna tolerate your behavior. Specially cause you did it to a person such as Dell. IF Ron was around you would be long gone for what you did to Dell anyway.



You're a manager, and you're gonna listen what owners/CL tells you to, whether you like it or not. So if CBF(and not just CBF) approved this scenarios hundred of times till now, you as a manager can only apply with it. Or resign if you don't like it.

[Cyril]

And Staff members are above you.
If they tell you to do something, you are gonna listen.

[Devin]

Gladly:
Last I remember CL are above managers. Just cause you and your pals decided to throw shit on one of them, and embarrassed the whole HQ and the Community by doing it, doesn't mean others gonna tolerate your behavior. Specially cause you did it to a person such as Dell. IF Ron was around you would be long gone for what you did to Dell anyway.



You're a manager, and you're gonna listen what owners/CL tells you to, whether you like it or not. So if CBF(and not just CBF) approved this scenarios hundred of times till now, you as a manager can only apply with it. Or resign if you don't like it.

You really shouldn't speak about situations you are not involved in or aware of. This spreads higher than you could think and the owners are already aware of the situation with Dellstorm. But of course you wouldn't know anything about that as it does not concern you.

[Ivan_MC]

And Staff members are above you.
If they tell you to do something, you are gonna listen.

Bro how old are you ? 5?

[Cofiliano]

And Staff members are above you.
If they tell you to do something, you are gonna listen.

Between listening to a manager who trows shit on CL and trolls around every single topic on the forums, and to a long lasting CL(Specially if its someone like CBF), I as a player am obligated to listen to the CL priorly. Just like I'm obligated to listen to the owner above all.
And don't drag Staff members into it, its you who asked me to tell you more.

You really shouldn't speak about situations you are not involved in or aware of. This spreads higher than you could think and the owners are already aware of the situation with Dellstorm. But of course you wouldn't know anything about that as it does not concern you.

I agree Devin it doesn't. And I didn't intend to. But Cyril asked for a explanation, and I gave him. Hope its all clear now Cyril.

[Cyril]

Between listening to a manager who trows shit on CL and trolls around every single topic on the forums, and to a long lasting CL(Specially if its someone like CBF), I as a player am obligated to listen to the CL priorly. Just like I'm obligated to listen to the owner above all.

As a player you are obligated to listen to a moderator and higher.
Actually the rank doesn't make any difference there.
Hope it's clear for you as you seem to not really understand how we work here.