Difference between being an Admin,and being a Cop.(Forbidding criminal roleplay)

[Brian]

A community leader in sense leads a community, he assists HQ with their issues and concerns and leads them. Yet a Division leader, and server management still have a saying over their server. That does not mean a Community Leader can come in and create rules, remove them or change them, without contacting it's servers HQ. I am not saying anyone is doing that, but I have the feeling someone has an ideology like that.

As for most rules being spoken about in the topic, most of them have been here for years, they just had not been enforced that heavily, until staff was asked to do so. I do agree how ever that staff should be separated from certain situations and have more of a 'over viewing' point of view, but remember a staff member can step in at any point if he or she feels like doing so. If you think he is not right, don't try causing a havoc but try to explain him calmly to reconsider and look in to it, or ask HQ about the situation. I see a lot of people posting that 'admin told me do this or ban'. An admin should never threaten with a punishment, that does not mean they can't be clear and honest with you ('If you continue with this attitude you will be removed from the server') is not a threat, but a heads up/ warning.
I do still think that having a chat about stuff can do a lot more then get mad, and have fights about it.

[Teddy]

Specially cause you did it to a person such as Dell. IF Ron was around you would be long gone for what you did to Dell anyway.

While I agree with your original topic in some degree; with this you are entirely wRONg in multiple ways.

1. If RON was around Dellstorm would've never become a CL; thus we would've never gotten this far. The manipulative strategy he used is sickening.
2. Cyril had no input, or authority regarding the situation with Dellstorm. Managers did not have a vote.
3. The owners are aware of this; and actually AGREE with us and support which ever outcome it reaches.
4. If you knew the truth you would also.

Just to clear that up.

Also a CL does not overrule a DL; no matter how much they think they can. They work alongside the division's leadership. Confirmed by the almighty absent owner.

[Stivi]

An admin should never threaten with a punishment,

Then why are you even still an admin ? 


Most of the server seems to agree on this. What should I expect different ?

[Mr. Goobii]

Those who are against admins; Why don't you leave the community and let the admins play for themselves?

I don't see a reason to play if you don't like what you playing. Keep walking guys, Argonath is not the only community and there is tons of them
everywhere. Find one and find the perfect community for you and your friends! Nothing keeps you stay at Argonath if you dislike it!

[Benn]

Those who are against admins; Why don't you leave the community and let the admins play for themselves?

I don't see a reason to play if you don't like what you playing. Keep walking guys, Argonath is not the only community and there is tons of them
everywhere. Find one and find the perfect community for you and your friends! Nothing keeps you stay at Argonath if you dislike it!

No, I think expressing their opinion about the staff do help the staff learn from their mistakes, try to solve it and serve at their best, even if it means you have to go against staff...
the topic was written in a way it doesn't provoke the staff's work it just criticize the staff and criticism is important when it has a meaning.
althought most of the replies here are none sense and meaning less just people waiting for the opportunity to attack the team..

[Cofiliano]

As a player you are obligated to listen to a moderator and higher.
Actually the rank doesn't make any difference there.
Hope it's clear for you as you seem to not really understand how we work here.

I understood how "we" work here before you registered on Argonath and never had a problem with it. Its you who broke that chain of commands in a disgusting, humiliating, and  insulting manner.
And now when I pointed out you're making decision counter to decisions higher ranks then you made, basically breaking their decisions and creating your own, you're giving me moral lectures about following the hierarchy? Don't be a hypocrite.

And like I said if a CL, scripter, and developer like CBF(I can name more people and situations as well if you would like) in this example approves those scenarios, then you should apply to their decisions as well, not completely change them cause that's how it suits you more. Like I said in the beginning, sorry, but you don't have the right to do that.

While I agree with your original topic in some degree; with this you are entirely wRONg in multiple ways.

1. If RON was around Dellstorm would've never become a CL; thus we would've never gotten this far. The manipulative strategy he used is sickening.
2. Cyril had no input, or authority regarding the situation with Dellstorm. Managers did not have a vote.
3. The owners are aware of this; and actually AGREE with us and support which ever outcome it reaches.
4. If you knew the truth you would also.

Just to clear that up.

Also a CL does not overrule a DL; no matter how much they think they can. They work alongside the division's leadership. Confirmed by the almighty absent owner.

Let me be clear Teddy, I wasn't speaking about any of your inner HQ relations, reasons, situations or anything you pointed up above in your reply. Like Devin said, and I agreed, I got no input in it, nor is that any of my business. I was talking only on the things the entire Community saw on that humiliating trolling and insulting that was done on Dell's topic.

And I'm talking about Cyril overruling decisions made by lots of higher rank people, who were all above manager rank at that point. Speaking of hierarchy..

[Jamal]

Wow, the amount of 'trolling' and useless posts made by those in high rank positions on here lately is crazy. I don't know the situations at all, so I can't speak on them myself, but I know for a fact that 4 years ago when I played, none of that BS would stand, whether it be a 5 post newb or a veteran admin. Imagine what a guy looking at the forums and the server for the first time would think when he sees moderators and admins of these servers posting like children? But then again, if he doesn't like what he sees, he will just be told to '/q' and leave the server.

[Benn]

Wow, the amount of 'trolling' and useless posts made by those in high rank positions on here lately is crazy. I don't know the situations at all, so I can't speak on them myself, but I know for a fact that 4 years ago when I played, none of that BS would stand, whether it be a 5 post newb or a veteran admin. Imagine what a guy looking at the forums and the server for the first time would think when he sees moderators and admins of these servers posting like children? But then again, if he doesn't like what he sees, he will just be told to '/q' and leave the server.

This community is part of a game!!! and the main point of this community is to serve us fun time... you call it trolling, they call it joking... You can't take a game that much serious and act like your life depends on it.
Just learn to enjoy the game.
Now I know this topic is about serious matter, same in serious meetings you always have to make a joke just to release the preasure, players tend to throw jokes just to release the stress of the debate...
You claim amount of trolling and usless post made by high rank positions on here is high... First of all thats wrong... ALOT of players joke around on such topics, why don't you say anything about them? well why do you think high ranks are any less or better than you or any other guys who jokes or any other person who make a statement? we are all equal, the rank is just responsibility you have to fullfill thats all the difference between you admins and  managers etc... just because they are high ranks they have to be serious all the time and not enjoy the game at all?

[Antonio.]

This community is part of a game!!! and the main point of this community is to serve us fun time... you call it trolling, they call it joking... You can't take a game that much serious and act like your life depends on it.

When we call it joking they call it trolling. No exceptions.

What creativity are you talking about when refering to bank robbery?
The only bank robberies that are denied by administration are the one where criminals gather 25 people, calling 911 or using /ad saying the bank is being robbed and all aiming at the door, waiting for cops to enter to blast them.

If you want to do that, I'm sure you can organize it in paruni server.

Bank robberies are not script supported at all so the only way to actually rob it is to get the cop's attention in order to get the demands. Cops never reach the demands and prefer to storm in with 30 cops and keep re-doing the process until all criminals have been killed. So you can't completely blame this one the criminals.

[Jamal]

This community is part of a game!!! and the main point of this community is to serve us fun time... you call it trolling, they call it joking... You can't take a game that much serious and act like your life depends on it.
Just learn to enjoy the game.
Now I know this topic is about serious matter, same in serious meetings you always have to make a joke just to release the preasure, players tend to throw jokes just to release the stress of the debate...
You claim amount of trolling and usless post made by high rank positions on here is high... First of all thats wrong... ALOT of players joke around on such topics, why don't you say anything about them? well why do you think high ranks are any less or better than you or any other guys who jokes or any other person who make a statement? we are all equal, the rank is just responsibility you have to fullfill thats all the difference between you admins and  managers etc... just because they are high ranks they have to be serious all the time and not enjoy the game at all?

I agree that this is just a game, I understand what you're saying. Of course mods should be allowed to joke and have fun like everyone can. But the 'trolling' I am referring to seems to be just provocative. And there is a difference between friendly jokes and obvious attempts to throw shade or mock people. Even a regular player should not be making such posts. The difference is is that admins/mods, leaders in the community, are supposed to reflect on the quality of the server. A group of great leaders gives good impressions, and leaders who's actions are questionable can leave a bad impression.

[Teddy]

Let me be clear Teddy, I wasn't speaking about any of your inner HQ relations, reasons, situations or anything you pointed up above in your reply. Like Devin said, and I agreed, I got no input in it, nor is that any of my business. I was talking only on the things the entire Community saw on that humiliating trolling and insulting that was done on Dell's topic.

And I'm talking about Cyril overruling decisions made by lots of higher rank people, who were all above manager rank at that point. Speaking of hierarchy..

Ah, well then understood. I cannot deny either the topic got way out of hand but that's not really on point with this topic.

To be honest with you; as I do agree with the "blurred line" that exists with administrative/SAPD, laws versus rule, etc, I do not see the capacity to change.

[RafaDK]

This community is part of a game!!! and the main point of this community is to serve us fun time... you call it trolling, they call it joking... You can't take a game that much serious and act like your life depends on it.
Just learn to enjoy the game.
Now I know this topic is about serious matter, same in serious meetings you always have to make a joke just to release the preasure, players tend to throw jokes just to release the stress of the debate...
You claim amount of trolling and usless post made by high rank positions on here is high... First of all thats wrong... ALOT of players joke around on such topics, why don't you say anything about them? well why do you think high ranks are any less or better than you or any other guys who jokes or any other person who make a statement? we are all equal, the rank is just responsibility you have to fullfill thats all the difference between you admins and  managers etc... just because they are high ranks they have to be serious all the time and not enjoy the game at all?

I was joking too, back when I did what I used to do.

[Leon.]

Partly related to OP, I believe it is not fair that a cop can get copbanned in place of a ban. Just like the police in America getting fired for murder instead of a conviction...

[Brian]

Partly related to OP, I believe it is not fair that a cop can get copbanned in place of a ban. Just like the police in America getting fired for murder instead of a conviction...

If something is ban worthy he should (will ) not be copbanned, but he will be given a ban. Admin copbans are usually used on abuse of the firearm, suspecting abuse, etc, etc.

[Teddy]

Just like the police in America getting fired for murder instead of a conviction...

He is being charged. He's in jail w/o bail. x)

I believe it is not fair that a cop can get copbanned in place of a ban.

SAPD should never intervene in place of an administrator. This is simply wrong.