Difference between being an Admin,and being a Cop.(Forbidding criminal roleplay)

[Pandalink]

Keep in mind they weren't kicked for being criminal but for not doing their jobs correctly after being reprimanded more than once.

Their job performance had nothing to do with it, also there were no warnings of the sort your describe to many of them.

[Devin]

You really have no idea why people were fired. Those that were removed was due to their actions and failure to follow regulation.

[Pandalink]

You really have no idea why people were fired. Those that were removed was due to their actions and failure to follow regulation.

ok

[Rusty]

Just because that rule has been added doesn't mean that criminals aren't allowed to do what criminals are supposed to do, just because some players scream DM everytime a group of players with weapons approaches them.

That rule has always been there, staff decisions are final if you wish to disagree further then you know where to submit a report on the forum or go talk to someone in HQ directly.  If player's are screaming DM when people approach them then either they are right or they are just trying to get away from them by getting admins help.  Either way if you did nothing wrong yet they crying wolf just report them for refusing to roleplay and we'll handle them from there.

[Antonio.]

That rule has always been there, staff decisions are final if you wish to disagree further then you know where to submit a report on the forum or go talk to someone in HQ directly.  If player's are screaming DM when people approach them then either they are right or they are just trying to get away from them by getting admins help.  Either way if you did nothing wrong yet they crying wolf just report them for refusing to roleplay and we'll handle them from there.

-You extort someone for dealing in a casino, you get reported and admin tells you to gtfo because "the casino isn't yours, you're just looking for a reason to DM".
-You extort truckers, you get reported and admins tell you to gtfo because "you're using this as a reason to DM".
-You block a road, you get reported and admins tell you gtfo because "you're using the road as a reason to DM".

It doesn't matter WHAT a criminal group does, it's just considered as a reason to kill someone and the RP will be stopped by admins, while on the other hand the only real "administration" that can handle these cases are the police department, fbi etc.

I'm not going to be annoyed on reporting a staff member everytime because they all have their own opinion on what's DM and what isn't. That's why a certain rule or a clear message needs to be given to admins that THEY SHOULDN'T INTERFERE IN CRIMINAL ROLE-PLAYS THAT MAY END UP IN SOMEONE GETTING KILLED.

Usually the case is handled AFTER the moaning player is killed and then the situation is described. When the admin (some of them) hears that we did it because "he didn't want to pay protection money" or something along those lines, it's instantly considered DM because the player "doesn't have to RP" or whatever reason.

[Cofiliano]

Its simple really;
1. If you're being jumped by criminals, either call the cops, or security agency, or your friends to help you out, or pay up. Moaning to admins via report, in such scenarios should be finished with a warning toward the person who submited the report.

2. If a person refuses to roleplay, he can either /q or get punish for it by admins. Unless he's on admin duty, or being AFK.

This two rules are vital for the ongoing changes that are happening on the server, and they must get implemented in order for Que's and HQs ideas to work out.

[Antonio.]

2. If a person refuses to roleplay, he can either /q or get punish for it by admins. Unless he's on admin duty, or being AFK.

The chance to /q shouldn't even be given, since he's probably just going to use it get away from the RP scenario. He should either roleplay or face a punishment from the admins.

[Hamza_Khan]

2. If a person refuses to roleplay, he can either /q or get punish for it by admins. Unless he's on admin duty, or being AFK.

This ^. If you really want to have a real Roleplay environment on the server implement this rule.
And yes this is not against the vision of the Argonath, since this is a RP server, so we all are supposed to do RP here, you should be ready for it everytime, and not to come up with lame excuses of avoiding roleplay, want to avoid? then do it in a RP circumstances, don't use admins as a shield.

[Johan_S]

Some groups i will not mention names since all will feel offended but i will just put my name (Soprano) are prejudiced from the past and from the late past which is very hard to clean the history making new fresh one so once peoples see two cars with 8 peoples they consider DM without being sure if those persons are equipped with weapons or not. Lately we are being used from hipocracy that everyone is virgin and they do not use weapons of high damage like commbat so once you got commbat you are considered deathmatcher. Actually admins are used to check and see those groups for a while and for sure they will give the final verdict once we approach to the "prey" and obviously the action will be considered deathmatch for sure...

Speaking from my experience once we lost the recgonized status i forbined my family interact with Cops, Rivals, and Workers (such as truckers or representatives of legal factions) and guess what? 0 Punishments from 2 weeks.

You could give me thousands of roleplay advice's for my group but is not only my group. Is happening even with traditional factions such as Gvardia and Corleone. We are getting used from mix of the duties and the best way is to AVOID everything that get's attentions from cops and admins, in order to keep the privacy of the criminal act.

Don't tell me that the creativity is to open one restaurant and to run it in peace. We are criminals but i cannot recognize from what o be afraid in roleplay as criminal? From THE LAW or from Staff members.

[Devin]

He should either roleplay or face a punishment from the admins.

 

[Hamza_Khan]

Yo Bro!! Yes this what Antonio wrote should be implemented if we want some serious roleplay.

[Antonio.]

Speaking from my experience once we lost the recgonized status i forbined my family interact with Cops, Rivals, and Workers (such as truckers or representatives of legal factions) and guess what? 0 Punishments from 2 weeks.

This may keep you from receiving punishments, but let's be honest, the reason Sopranos lost their status doesn't fall under the same category as this topic, yet it was for reasons that were taken on a personal level and even brought IRL into it.

Isolating yourself from things that your character should be doing (as long as it doesn't go against the server rules) shouldn't be the answer to this problem.

[Johan_S]

This may keep you from receiving punishments, but let's be honest, the reason Sopranos lost their status doesn't fall under the same category as this topic, yet it was for reasons that were taken on a personal level and even brought IRL into it.

In the whole part of my message i didn't mention how we lost the thing since this is not the right topic and you are not the right person to discuss it. Please do not try to give wrong image.

I wrote /AFTER/ which was meaning "after the day we lost the status" i'm not saying that we lost the status due to this CASE. Once more time PLEASE i know that i have English issues but try to read as it deserves to be read. I just gave my opinion to explain how it works from my side, and defacto is that once we left interactions we avoided in 100 percent any possible punishment or any possible STOP from Roleplay.

[Johan_S]

Isolating yourself from things that your character should be doing (as long as it doesn't go against the server rules) shouldn't be the answer to this problem.

Since this was written later i will reply here. Yes is not the answer of the problem i'm just working with legal sector and touch illegal part only when is really really necessary. With addition of new SAPD i will look forward for new professionalism from their side and to open the door for legendary roleplays without gunparty. For example head of organization with head of LEO's negotiating to resolve the case.

[Antonio.]

I wrote /AFTER/ which was meaning "after the day we lost the status" i'm not saying that we lost the status due to this CASE.

Sir, if you state that just after you stopped interacting with cops, truckers and rivals, that your punishments dropped significantly, it only means that those were the reasons that caused the punishments and it's automatically implying that it's a solution, when in reality isolation shouldn't be one.