Roleplay factions

[Kostas]

Somewhat... Anyway. We could always find a way to rate groups. So that newcommers could actually understand if they are getting invited into 2 or 4 stars for example... But none of this will happen anyway.

[Pandalink]

If someone runs one of these terrible groups you keep mentioning, but maintains an active base of members, then who are others to judge.
Either they're doing something right that you're not considering or all of the members are just equally shitty people anyway.

If people join a "bad" group it's up to them to identify that fact in their own mind. Which group is "bad" is also entirely subjective. For example, I wouldn't recommend a new player join a strict RP group since then they'll only learn how to be miserable bastards like everyone on strict RP servers and never learn how to actually have fun. Similarly, there are plenty of pretty awful groups run by children and filled with children who have absolutely no experience dealing with other people and are basically just /report abusing whiners, and I wouldn't recommend new players go there either.
The point is that I'm just one guy with one opinion.

It's up to new players to find the right group for them. If they want to join a strict RP group, fine. If they want to be in a shitter group for a bit so they can get some cash and cars, fine I guess. If they want to join a classic RS3-style RPG group, that's cool too. It's not up to others to dictate which group is right for new players. Every group has a right to exist, it's up to the market to decide which ones work.

[jovanca]

But Panda, what is the point of active base of members if the quallity of members is terrible? I am not either juding them and posting these with only selfish reasons, i would actually like to see thsir improvement which also means improvement of Argonath samp itself. That would make gameplay much more enjoyable for everyone, dont you think?


When a new player joins (and possibly new to samp which happens a lot) and first thing he reads and sees 'hi join me mafja, i let you boss' or what ever, they will most likely be happy to be invited to a group and wont even consider joining any other.

Anyone with previous rp experience on argo or any other server, will not join one of these groune, i repeat for 50th time, new players join these groups cos they are literally mislead into thinking these groups are good.

[Johan_S]

Hi J, very nice initiative you made here. This means that you take care for quality, tho this is not the first topic and not the last. And i ensure that this topic will change nothing. Yes, you heard opinion of all and all agree with you, so you have the support of everyone, but still this topic will change nothing.

The only way to improve the things, which you think that must be different is in game, im not saying that you never helped new players but there's no difference if you do not put this effort Online in game, im not saying only for you but for everyone which gave opinions and thinks that they know the right road. The 75% of commentators here do not even remember when was last time that they joined in our server but they are always ready to give ideas here, come in game and show your ideas giving examples not just texts texts texts words words words.

Words fly with the wind, actions stays.

[Bruce.]

Anyone with previous rp experience on argo or any other server, will not join one of these groune, i repeat for 50th time, new players join these groups cos they are literally mislead into thinking these groups are good.

This is true, for matter of facts... I've seen people taking new players in their group and being told "this [insertgrouphere] is our enemies, you can shoot them whenever you want to RP"
But the question is... will there be a RP from a 2 or 3 days guy in the server?  There's a really small chance for a new player to know how to properly roleplay and murder someone with a VALID reason which is really worth to murder someone. They will just go /me takes out his combat and aims...

[Andeey]

This is true, for matter of facts... I've seen people taking new players in their group and being told "this [insertgrouphere] is our enemies, you can shoot them whenever you want to RP"
But the question is... will there be a RP from a 2 or 3 days guy in the server?  There's a really small chance for a new player to know how to properly roleplay and murder someone with a VALID/b] reason which is really worth to murder someone. They will just go /me takes out his combat and aims...

People that teach new players this sort of stuff shouldn't be playing on our Server, they should be either banned or not running a group

[jovanca]

Andyoo thats exactly what i am trying ti achieve here. Not allow the newbies lead groups.

Also i would just like to add. 2 years ago when i joined argonath i opened a group. Grove street gang it was, i invited everyone i saw, most of them were dmers and i knew but i didnt care untill @Emmett advised me to lead my group better, and thats why i disbanded it. How can i lead someone if i myself am not any better than them?

[Andeey]

Andyoo thats exactly what i am trying ti achieve here. Not allow the newbies lead groups.

Also i would just like to add. 2 years ago when i joined argonath i opened a group. Grove street gang it was, i invited everyone i saw, most of them were dmers and i knew but i didnt care untill @Emmett advised me to lead my group better, and thats why i disbanded it. How can i lead someone if i myself am not any better than them?

I have had my fair share of Newbie groups, that i ran.. and i know what position they are in, i had _Gambino in 2010 and i couldnt even recruit a single player, Because i was young and didnt know how to do it properly. that's what most of these new groups do they havent had enough experience to run groups so they /pm "want to join my new mafia u can be underboss" - stuff like that... word of Advice for anyone who is reading this and relates to this, Close your group join a Veteran/experienced group and learn from them, when you think you are ready you can go back and open your family and not make the same mistakes you did the first time.. nobody is perfect.

[Que]

We had these topics endless amount of times and sadly it is still a large problem that some guys can't really realize that Argonath has lost almost everything when it comes to roleplay. No fighting for survival, doing radical changes to keep up with the other servers or communities, no realizing that we are losing big time of good roleplayers , just endless discussion how everyone should adapt to Argonath's "a world of its own" without having a single clue how to fix the massive decay. Always defending the deathmatchers and their combat culture. It has been step by step and yet again people are trying to protect what Argonath had like six-seven years ago.

While Argonath has excreted piece by piece, player by player, this "SUPERSERIOUS RP SERVER" is still having a full server almost all day long (500p). No question is ever asked why, no solution is ever placed on the table and it's tabu to talk about it. Just like now, when I've posted this, some will react as usual and after that the topic will die and the continuous "do-nothing"-attitude will remain.

To be a little bit more on topic:
No one will open gangs here because it's pointless to have one. No serious group will ever go viral here because there's no room for such group, because it's always "so negative and boring" to play realistic and be creative.  The only groups who will survive are the combat crews whose roleplay is not that serious yet they are active because it's okay to death match and the cops are pretty much the same but in opposite color.

I hope I weren't too "rude" in my way of speaking. I felt like it needed to be posted.

[Jack Rosso]

We had these topics endless amount of times and sadly it is still a large problem that some guys can't really realize that Argonath has lost almost everything when it comes to roleplay. No fighting for survival, doing radical changes to keep up with the other servers or communities, no realizing that we are losing big time of good roleplayers , just endless discussion how everyone should adapt to Argonath's "a world of its own" without having a single clue how to fix the massive decay. Always defending the deathmatchers and their combat culture. It has been step by step and yet again people are trying to protect what Argonath had like six-seven years ago.

While Argonath has excreted piece by piece, player by player, this "SUPERSERIOUS RP SERVER" is still having a full server almost all day long (500p). No question is ever asked why, no solution is ever placed on the table and it's tabu to talk about it. Just like now, when I've posted this, some will react as usual and after that the topic will die and the continuous "do-nothing"-attitude will remain.

To be a little bit more on topic:
No one will open gangs here because it's pointless to have one. No serious group will ever go viral here because there's no room for such group, because it's always "so negative and boring" to play realistic and be creative.  The only groups who will survive are the combat crews whose roleplay is not that serious yet they are active because it's okay to death match and the cops are pretty much the same but in opposite color.

I hope I weren't too "rude" in my way of speaking. I felt like it needed to be posted.

Perfect explanation of what has been going on for several years now. Kudos to you Que. And emphasis on this:

We had these topics endless amount of times and sadly it is still a large problem that some guys can't really realize that Argonath has lost almost everything when it comes to roleplay.

[jovanca]

Sadly i have to agree with the last 2 posts, yet i will still try to change how the things are, as much as i can.

[Huntsman]

We had these topics endless amount of times and sadly it is still a large problem that some guys can't really realize that Argonath has lost almost everything when it comes to roleplay. No fighting for survival, doing radical changes to keep up with the other servers or communities, no realizing that we are losing big time of good roleplayers , just endless discussion how everyone should adapt to Argonath's "a world of its own" without having a single clue how to fix the massive decay. Always defending the deathmatchers and their combat culture. It has been step by step and yet again people are trying to protect what Argonath had like six-seven years ago.

While Argonath has excreted piece by piece, player by player, this "SUPERSERIOUS RP SERVER" is still having a full server almost all day long (500p). No question is ever asked why, no solution is ever placed on the table and it's tabu to talk about it. Just like now, when I've posted this, some will react as usual and after that the topic will die and the continuous "do-nothing"-attitude will remain.

To be a little bit more on topic:
No one will open gangs here because it's pointless to have one. No serious group will ever go viral here because there's no room for such group, because it's always "so negative and boring" to play realistic and be creative.  The only groups who will survive are the combat crews whose roleplay is not that serious yet they are active because it's okay to death match and the cops are pretty much the same but in opposite color.

I hope I weren't too "rude" in my way of speaking. I felt like it needed to be posted.

Sir. You speak the truth.

One thing has become very obvious. It has always been obvious. Argonath never has been and never will be a roleplay server until a change in mentaility happens and it becomes a rule to roleplay.

[beLTa]

One thing has become very obvious. It has always been obvious. Argonath never has been and never will be a roleplay server until a change in mentaility happens and it becomes a rule to roleplay.

Exactly!

If you want a change, try not to change others but first change your own self. (Ain't talking about you, Huntsman)

[jovanca]

Well i started this topic and if anyone has complaints ob my behavior then please let me know through a forum message.

I try promoting roleplay every time i come online, but thst just is not enough anymore. Too many people are around who just dont care to play their roles realistically and creatyvly so they ruin the fun for the others. I still blame the groups lead by newbies and still think the solutilon for one of the biggest problems (which is lack of rp) is closure of the noob groups in order to get their members to join or just stick to better groups and learn

[Hamza_Khan]

Why there isn't any kind of proper interaction between group leader and HQ members, if a group is doing a wrong job then its leader has to be informed about it, and he will only listen to the Server management not us, as they think that we are a bit jealous of him or he is doing a good job thats why people moaning about his work, if there is weekly or monthly talk between the leader, that would be cool IMO. i:e recently Devin's  post on MIB topic (no offence to them), I mean that kind of thing would be beneficial as that MIB group has been informed about their performance, how they are doing and where it all going wrong, if a group fails to improve their progress even after couple of warning then no problem in closing that specific group down.