This is the problem.

[Gandalf]

i see this as lack of communication between the officers then, but of course he should stop of he is being pulled over

he should go along with the robbery and try to contact his fellow mafiafriends, and if he fails he can always go to them after and then they can take action on the robber

depends, if he just says "hi" the problem lies with the other players if they just ignore him or tell him to go away, and they should be talked to ofcourse but as fernando said, is he an direct asspuller or just a guy with small wordusage

You actually mean that isf you get held up on your way to a meeting by 5 different people who will take at least 10 minutes you must just allow them?

[Gandalf]

Alot of what have been said in Argonath Vision has changed, and this is probably why you're disappointed.
Argonath Vision stated clearly that SAPD will never be closed and joined by applications only...but it did happen.
Argonath Vision also stated that you're not forced to roleplay but now we are.
At first it was hard to accept but we eventually did.
Of course I loved how the server was, thats what kept me in it but I do still love it now.
and if you ask me which one I prefer the old vision or the new one I would say RS4. but sadly thats no longer an option

It has nothing to do with disappointment, remember I can stop and turn around the changes would I be against trying.
As for SAPD, one of the planned changes in RS5 was new cops taking a trainin course of one week until being able to go in to uniform.
The one difference is that we planned it to be automated instead of by people, for a simple reason. Unless SAPD training staff can be present equal among all time zones, a personalized training put players at a disadvantage.This means if we get complaints from players that they can not join SAPD because there are never trainers on, SAPD will have a problem in keeping it within the current system.

As for forced to roleplay, the intent was never to allow players getting away with lame excuses. The intent was to disallow players being forced to partake in a scenario they have zero interest in because else they might be punished. For me that is close to cyberbullying.

[Rusty]

Why would you refuse?  It's role-play no matter if the same thing just happened five times before within ten minutes.  It's a nasty city out there loaded with criminals.
You just get laughed at if you said "sorry guys can't do this right now about to have a Mafia meeting at our HQ bye!"

Being robbed five times in a row might be daunting but not every robbery will be the same, you might get some crazy drug addict trying to hold you up for $200 or a street gang looking to take your cellphone and shoes.  Opportunity comes round go with it not brush it off because you have a meeting, like Emmett said call for back-up.

[Gandalf]

Why would you refuse?  It's role-play no matter if the same thing just happened five times before within ten minutes.  It's a nasty city out there loaded with criminals.
You just get laughed at if you said "sorry guys can't do this right now about to have a Mafia meeting at our HQ bye!"

Being robbed five times in a row might be daunting but not every robbery will be the same, you might get some crazy drug addict trying to hold you up for $200 or a street gang looking to take your cellphone and shoes.  Opportunity comes round go with it not brush it off because you have a meeting, like Emmett said call for back-up.

I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....

[psyron]

remove /area and blips on the radar. lets roleplay then. realistic as it can get

[Benn]

It has nothing to do with disappointment, remember I can stop and turn around the changes would I be against trying.
As for SAPD, one of the planned changes in RS5 was new cops taking a trainin course of one week until being able to go in to uniform.
The one difference is that we planned it to be automated instead of by people, for a simple reason. Unless SAPD training staff can be present equal among all time zones, a personalized training put players at a disadvantage.This means if we get complaints from players that they can not join SAPD because there are never trainers on, SAPD will have a problem in keeping it within the current system.

As for forced to roleplay, the intent was never to allow players getting away with lame excuses. The intent was to disallow players being forced to partake in a scenario they have zero interest in because else they might be punished. For me that is close to cyberbullying.

Well I believe Scripters honoured SAPD Staff request to turn it closed group because cops were very abusive RPing curropts cops and didn't get copbanned which gave them alot of fun time and pissed few other players pulling them over and shooting them to death claiming they were curropt and sadly admins didn't do anything about it since RPing curropt officer that is a serial killer was allowed back then.... I wish a great leadership will appear in game to change, an idol that will lead greatest RP that doesn't include killing, DMing in all scenes like Frank Hawk, SAPD old leaders and Families Old leaders, I am not criticising current leader I know many leaders who are doing a great job Like Nexus, Trane and a few more but still thats not enough a server that have reached such a great quality back in the old days shouldn't ever be brought down.
We don't need scripts as much as we need great leadership
I tried to perform a leadership figure but I failed, I guess I don't have the leadership skills that people are looking for....
BTW to not be disrespectfull Cheers to the Scripters, you did an amazing job this couple monthes especially Teddy, thank you for your time!!!

[Rusty]

I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....

Because I can /aduty and disappear from the map or teleport away doesn't give me right to just move away when role-playing cause I don't like.  Don't use my admin account for role-playing that's why I have another.

[Devin]

I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....

Starting to look like you have missed things since you haven't been in-game since February. 

[Devin]

Just find someone else to play with...why interact with someone who is not interested?

Most people wouldn't be interested in being the victim in a roleplay situation, so that ideology is flawed within a roleplay community.
The players need to lose the mindset of losing things which leads to them not wanting to roleplay and get to grasp the idea of roleplay and the fact that you will lose things at times.

If people can't get over that fact then they're on the wrong server and in the wrong community.
Paruni is open for those that just want to run around shooting.

[Que]

remove /area and blips on the radar. lets roleplay then. realistic as it can get

When it comes to /area, it is the most overused and worst way to catch anyone on the map, doesn't matter if it's a gang member or a criminal or even someone that you just want to extort for fun, you can just type it in and voilá - you know where he is at. For me, there's no other command in-game that I hate so much than this one, and yet here I am using it today. It's such a waste of progressive roleplay that could be done before the actual finding of the individual or the disappearance from someone. I can't honestly pick a good thing about it.

The players need to lose the mindset of losing things which leads to them not wanting to roleplay and get to grasp the idea of roleplay and the fact that you will lose things at times.

This.

I do realize it's a hard run trying to change this around, but it actually possible. You win and you lose. Most of us who's been around for a long time have already grown into this and for us, there's no biggie about losing. But I can probably say that if I started to play in younger years, I wouldn't really thought the same, pretty much because of my juvenile attitude and its normal behavior in these years.

I think it's possible to change, since it's obviously virtual money and virtual money is nothing important; but it is be for young teens knowing less about relevant things.

[Teddy]

I wonder if you would feel the same without the capability to disappear....

You seem to have the most experience in this...

[Benn]

Most people wouldn't be interested in being the victim in a roleplay situation, so that ideology is flawed within a roleplay community.
The players need to lose the mindset of losing things which leads to them not wanting to roleplay and get to grasp the idea of roleplay and the fact that you will lose things at times.

If people can't get over that fact then they're on the wrong server and in the wrong community.
Paruni is open for those that just want to run around shooting.

We have survived since 2009(Maybe even before but the topic was made in 2009) with this same vision basically the changes was in the players this days... people no longer want to roleplay because we don't have leaders who pushes people into interacting with others who are here to roleplay and not just for trucking and working.
We can't change alot in the vision just because we are facing a few changes thats atleast what I think, for now you already changed aloooot in the vision I am learning to accept the changes it still does bug me but I do agree with it.... but if you do too many changes then the server won't be Argonath anymore it will turn into a whole new server Argonath Vision and history is what makes it special and different than other RP servers

[Tiny]

I've been reading so many theories about solutions and changes lately, yet I see none of you online and contributing so they can take place. While the forums are full of 'we should do this and that', in-game there are 30-35 players, and about 10-15 are roleplaying.

Things are simple, get your shit together and go do some roleplay in-game. This is what needs to be changed. It's easy to find out problems and then start talking about solutions, I can do it all day, but instead, I rather go in-game and have some actual fun. 

[Rei]

I've been reading so many theories about solutions and changes lately, yet I see none of you online and contributing so they can take place. While the forums are full of 'we should do this and that', in-game there are 30-35 players, and about 10-15 are roleplaying.

Things are simple, get your shit together and go do some roleplay in-game. This is what needs to be changed. It's easy to find out problems and then start talking about solutions, I can do it all day, but instead, I rather go in-game and have some actual fun.

 

[Devin]

We have survived since 2009(Maybe even before but the topic was made in 2009) with this same vision basically the changes was in the players this days... people no longer want to roleplay because we don't have leaders who pushes people into interacting with others who are here to roleplay and not just for trucking and working.
We can't change alot in the vision just because we are facing a few changes thats atleast what I think, for now you already changed aloooot in the vision I am learning to accept the changes it still does bug me but I do agree with it.... but if you do too many changes then the server won't be Argonath anymore it will turn into a whole new server Argonath Vision and history is what makes it special and different than other RP servers

I don't want to break anyone's heart but the vision is a document created years ago that people seem to keep mistaking for a holy book that everything must go through to be created or done.
The server is going in the direction of what would best suit the community, not a few paragraphs of text keeping things in one direction whilst those that deserve to be here push for another.

We really do not need a vision of a wizard defining any and all changes whilst the majority of the community that roleplays looks for more from the server.
We are keeping the server in line with what Argonath stands for but cleaning out the bullshit and the trash in the process of tidying up the entire place.