'Changes' that change nothing.

[TheGreasyChopper]

AND REMOVING TRUCKING, IT IS NOT RP.

If they introduce another way to actually make money...
Plus, who says it's not RP? You have no idea how many times I Roleplayed smuggling illegal immigrants around, by going trough all the trucking spots only to pick up illegal immigrants cargo. 

[Teddy]

When Teddy posted "My Status" topic activity dropped.

[Mark]

Endless arguments over and over again in every topic . Do what you think is better for the server, the bad girling everywhere is the first issue. There are other servers in the community which have less or different features (no disrespect) than here and players don't go around the forums throwing out arguments every second against the Developers. They adapt to the situation and have fun with the friends , realistic/serious or whatever roleplay it is.
You all know Teddy's situation, Mikro's situation and the other scripters. All of them are focused whenever they can on these features, they have published the list of changes to be transparent with us all. How many more times are they gonna have to tell you the stuff is still work in progress? If you really believe them, be patient. You have waited almost 2 years with the other team and at end they didn't really have any progress or just didn't show it, i assume.
I understand that business profit and the other stuff is a priority for most of people but for once give them some time, play a different game for the moment, a pause won't harm anyone. For once you can also try to use your imagination to roleplay with your group or friends, you will not die because of that.

Anyway, about vehicle tracking, that's right, it needs to be adjusted. I guess Teddy and others are thinking already about a tracking system for vehicles, better than the old one however you already know that to bring vehicles location back in /vehicles you also need to enable it in /area , didn't we want to restrict the command to a not specific location?
I won't prolong more as i said pretty much the same things in the other topic and someone else said them here too, you have to be patient in this period, that's all what the team is asking to you.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

The trucking script does nothing but create more hatred within the community. Removing it (as soon as an alternative has been made) would be the best idea.

Whats to be confusing there? Tons and tons of new players want the drivers license and passport removed because that is getting on their nerves. Either remove the passport and the drivers license or lower the time needed for a passport test and a drivers license test.

[Brian]

I kind of agree, waiting 7 days to be able to get a license and passport is quite some time. Especially due to the limitations of state vehicles. I might make an idea topic of lowering it to 2-3 days, that way the players still need to be 'around' Argonath for a little while, but can still get their license so they can purchase their own vehicles, etc.

[SkyHawk]

You all thought Que was your savior when he came up with his own ideas, yet they were much closer to 'strict-rp' than mine. Just because someone is more famous or more recognized by the community you take him seriously, yet they are not contributing anymore. The community is missing some people who would really make a difference, and we're about to lose more if you don't start thinking properly. Do you know why veterans left after all these years? Because they grew up, and they are looking for somewhere better to play in their free time than spend time here talking to a wall.

Or maybe the Veterans who grew up aren't looking for other places to play? Rather, they have lives outside of gaming now, lives that include a job, schooling, community events, or any other involvement outside of gaming bettering themselves as individuals of society and trying to make a difference in their respective communities.

How about we all take a look at the fact that maybe the player base in Argonath needs to determine what they want, from my own perspective, what everyone has complained about over the last several months has been taken into consideration and it's actually been pushed forward, however once these changes are implemented everyone reverts back to complaining because it isn't didn't turn out quite like everyone envisioned. It's time to stop blaming development and scripts and start looking at each other individually and how you can better this community. I'll give you one hint, stop looking to place blame on others and start placing blame on ourselves, maybe then we'll all realize that a community thrives on the support of it's members and not on the support of logistics.

Make this community a place to enjoy ourselves and have friendly conversations and enjoy one another company like it was a few years ago. A common theme I see rising in Argonath now is a bunch of kids with a smart ass attitude that look to pick a fight with just about anyone they can interact with, and it's caused a toxic environment. Respect goes a long way, and until we learn to respect one another and the views we share, whether or not we agree or disagree with them, Argonath isn't going to better themselves as a community, rather we are going to continue on the downward spiral we are on.

[Khm]

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So, here are my thoughts, and you guys need to think about this and discuss this.

1. I don't want to bring negativity or hate, but tons and tons of players want the passport and the license removed. So I suggest either remove it or lower the time for it.

2. What just happened today, is. A player joined, and then, when I explained what to do, he said wtf server, and just left. So I suggest either we make something to get motivated to RP, and by that I mean to get motivated to RP with regulars,veterans and new players. OR Make some scripts etc... that will be fun for anybody, either he is with someone or he is alone. Make some scripts that will be fun and will stop boredom and bring fun.

3. We are on hosted tab, and also if we get a advertisement on SAMP forums server advertisement board we will get many players,because many people see the advertisements at SAMP forums server advertisement board so they join the server to see what it has to offer, and we get a new player(s) every second. And I think, that we should introduce them and help them around. We should be prepared for these new players, because every one of them wants to see what Argonath is offering.

4. The developers should seriously make something for new players when they join, so they don't get confused and they know what and how to do something.

1. Not tons no, removing them will be a problem, lower the time and everything will be alright.
2. How did you introduce him, tell us what did you exactly tell him?
3. Already being done..
4. They don't get confused if they're introduced properly but I have to agree, some changes which I have in mind can solve some problems.

About trucking. There are 2 kind of people trucking on the server
Veterans/regulars trucking: These guys should understand that trucking is not the purpose of the server since they were in the server since a good time.
New players: Here it's players' fault, they tell him that making money, having houses and cars is the goal of the server which automatically makes the new players keep farming and farming and refuse to actually role-play.
The meeting between veterans/regulars and HQ should happen asap.

[Cofiliano]

I'll just copy this here, instead of re-writing basically the same thing over

Thing is both you/Luke/Devin and Ivan are right.

You are all talking from your perspective. Some new players likes to interaction more. Some new players likes to start working more and focus on that.

And you got 3rd type of new players, who likes to check out and enjoy interesting scripts(horsebets, casinos, bank robbery that's coming, etc etc)

So its just a matter of "taste", but we need all three types of players around, and we need to provide them with enough opportunities for both.


Answer on first type of new players are veterans and their group. They're the one who's roleplays and interaction is gonna make those kind of players stick around.

Answer on second and third kind of new players is more interesting, and enjoyable scripts, that you can have alot of fun together with your friends, and that you can earn from.


But its a charmed cycle really. Because in order to bring Veterans and their groups back, you need those new interesting and enjoyable scripts, specially for criminals and we need them to be amazing as well. Then they'll start interactions and roleplays that will make new players stick around.

So we unfortunately go down on the issue, its the scripts. The faster they are developed and published, the more people will come back. The slower they are developed and published, more people will find other places to play on. Including the new players who went trough Argonath and left.

And yeah these topics ain't really helping and are pointless. Sit back and relax.

[Duel]

Changes here and there, I mostly see complaining about every stupid little shit under the sun.
The script is not finished yet, and our dedicated development team are working their asses off to get players happy. They work around the clock, for what? For nothing. Nothing that benefits them at all, and to see players moaning and moaning about the server that they do not find suitable anymore because they're not adaptable to change, it scares me to think how selfish most people are in this world. Why? Because if they're not happy, they bring the whole community down with them by starting topics that indirectly shit on everyone who is working to make the server better. If you guys think you can do better than what the actual development team is doing, then go learn code, learn how to script, and please by all means come and show everyone you're bright ideas.

Or if you're not able to realize that the community mostly runs from the owners own pocket, leave. We've lost enough already, and I am sure if the players that bad girl, and cry about everything that doesn't make them happy, the community will be a better place. Quantity vs Quality right?

On the other hand, if you're going to stay here, then inject your ideas into the community and do not get butthurt about them not being implemented, because not EVERYTHING will go the way you want it. Guys, wake up, its basically the same in any community like it is in real life. Things are earned, and so is respect, and honestly the respect that everyone gives the development team is shit, and I honestly see no problem for developers telling players to fuck off. Because if you're attitude is shit and constantly throwing stones at our gates, expect a reaction.

The bottom line is,

Don't f**cking like it? Leave, the door is constantly open, and no one is forcing you to stay here.
If you want the community better, make it a better place yourself and adapt to change. Stop whining, this is not kindergarten.

Think of it like this, if Teddy never gave you guys an inside on to whats happening on the development of RS5, you guys would think the script is complete. But, the reason why you think its incomplete, is because you see more and more ideas that Teddy is injecting into the community and you cannot wait till its finished. Yes, its been 2 years, so what? It hasn't been two years since the new team took over.

Dedication and commitment is missing here.

[.Matthew.]

Leave, the door is constantly open, and no one is forcing you to stay here.

Ah, didn't hear that one for long time now.
That's exactly what Argonath needs now, right?

[Duel]

That's exactly what Argonath needs now, right?

Here is an example of someone who reads to reply.

[Devin]

If people would stop looking at little issues and making bigger problems out of them than necessary we wouldn't be having to respond to these kinds of topics that serve no actual productive impact in regards to the development of the server or community.

People need to forget about the past, let the development team work at a pace that is functional for them and the players just need to make do with what they have for now.
Scripts will come, it solves nothing to go on and on about scripts not being released yet nor does it help anyone to keep bringing up scripts that are still being developed.

Plans set out by the development team will be kept in due time.

Whilst they work on the scripts, why not just go in-game and roleplay with one another?

[Axison]

Ok so, Scripts.

Teddy took over the development team, made incredible progress with the scripts and managing the SA:MP community. Now, he promised that there will be a working business script incoming as soon as it is finished. If he were to push it out as of now, you all will still complain of how buggy it is. So whats the problem in letting them finish the script and then push it out instead of constantly changing and fixing it? Why not let them write and fix all at once so we can all enjoy the script without any issues?
 
Let the scripters work at their desired pace, if you tell them to hurry up, its more likely that the script will come out with bugs.

Just my two cents.

[Hevar.]

If people would stop looking at little issues and making bigger problems out of them than necessary we wouldn't be having to respond to these kinds of topics that serve no actual productive impact in regards to the development of the server or community.

Well...bro the small issues makes it bigger, if one small problem cant be fixed, then it gets bigger thats why people should focus on the small issuse before it gets bigger.


for an example if you work at McDonald and someone ordering 3 cheeseburgers but you only gave him 2 cheeseburger, then the dude checks his foodbag at home and notice it, then next day he calls the chief and starts to complain about it.

[Hevar.]

Let the scripters work at their desired pace, if you tell them to hurry up, its more likely that the script will come out with bugs.

Just my two cents.

Just like when people started moaing about RS5 and asked daily ''When is RS5 coming'' and all that.. baaaam....RS5 got released early.....