Turks shoots down Russian warplane

[Vaeldious]

...shoots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together...

Agreed. Politics though. I'm not a fan of Russia, but America is becoming a Socialist society, and truth be told, Putin has more balls to do anything about it. But even this is just a show of power against America to prove the whole USA vs Russia. Leads into semantics though.

Finally. They got what they deserved, to be honest.

Great way to value human life.

I do not want war

Apparently you do, thinking anyone deserves to die for someone elses' causes.

Oh really? Just BBC reported that 1 pilot is captured and in the hands of Turkey and another is possibly dead

Perhaps I should have said "have the chance to walk away despite those they are forced to serve give direct orders, and if you disobey, it becomes treasonous.".

..this stems from the cold war is which everyone is butt-hurt from a non-winning pissing match.

This is the same old USvsTHEM logic. When THEY deserve it, WE don't. When WE get it, it's a tragedy and travesty. Seriously guys, both sides of this situation are human. Additionally, war is old men playing, and young men dying. There will never be unification of sides. Let's all quit pissing in the wind and calling it a rain shower.


Side note: do not think I don't appreciate you guy's viewpoint. It's one not seen often here and we are conditioned to generalize and build an US vs THEM system. To blame the solder for following orders is ignorant beyond belief, though.

[Huntsman]

Lol the bullshit, stupidity, and hypocrisy a person can read here is hilarious.

>The biggest logistic support of ISIS, next to Saudia Arabia, shots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together.
>British and Baltic people celebrates.

When #prayforlondon happens, make sure you look yourself in the mirror, and realize just how stupid you went.

Turkey granted no access to Russia's military into its territory. It doesn't matter whom they were fighting - they disrespected the borders of another country and failed to leave after ten warnings. If Russia cannot understand civilised diplomacy talk, then Turkey did what it should do - respond in their own language, flexing of muscles , that is.

And no, we do not celebrate. We just point out that what has happened is nothing but a consequence of Russia's agressive foreign policy.

Great way to value human life.

Death of these men can be blamed on no-one but the Russian government.

Apparently you do, thinking anyone deserves to die for someone elses' causes.

You're having problems with proportions here. Russia TRESSPASSED territory of ANOTHER  SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. It FAILED to divert its plane after TEN WARNINGS given out in five minutes.
So, applying your logic : a country invades us, but let's not fight back, because human lives matter.
Seriously? DO you even think before you write?

Greek and Turkish planes have chased each other over foreign borders countless times in the past, I don't think anyone was shot down yet though.

I am pretty sure that Greeks are literate and can comprehend the warnings given to them, but it seems that Russia doesn't.

[Raykaza]

I dont know why the majority of the posts expressing glad that this event happened not sure if doing it just for the sake of the argument or really ignorance of whats going on in the middle east,since 2011 US and its allies are claiming the war on ISIS and this last just kept growing more and more financially and morally taking over the west of syria all of it,it was obvious that US and its geographic allies in the mideast generally, Turkey specifically helping ISIS throught the turkey/syria borders to let ISIS fighters trained by US and US weapons throught taking cover under the fact that Tukey opened borders for Refugees,Turkey is just another pawn for US/Israel to stand against Assad and fulfill US agenda in the midle east,Russia is also trying to defend its own purposes but atleast they are against those piggy terrorists,but I'm not surprised ISIS ISIL ALQAEDA AL NOSSRA they are all intellegencies products to how can US fight its own agents.
Back to the downed Jet,I dont think that Vladimir Putin will take agressive actions on revenge (Wich i'll gladly welcome it as decision) but he is smarter than that.Turkey you just fucked up big time.

[Salmonella]

Russia does this all the time in pretty much every country, but usually they leave after the warnings. I can only applaud Turkey for finally showing Russia to quit fucking around.

All the Turkey=ISIS comments and other unrelated stuff is pretty amusing. :P

[Huntsman]

I dont know why the majority of the posts expressing glad that this event happened not sure if doing it just for the sake of the argument or really ignorance of whats going on in the middle east,since 2011 US and its allies are claiming the war on ISIS and this last just kept growing more and more financially and morally taking over the west of syria all of it,it was obvious that US and its geographic allies in the mideast generally, Turkey specifically helping ISIS throught the turkey/syria borders to let ISIS fighters trained by US and US weapons throught taking cover under the fact that Tukey opened borders for Refugees,Turkey is just another pawn for US/Israel to stand against Assad and fulfill US agenda in the midle east,Russia is also trying to defend its own purposes but atleast they are against those piggy terrorists,but I'm not surprised ISIS ISIL ALQAEDA AL NOSSRA they are all intellegencies products to how can US fight its own agents.
Back to the downed Jet,I dont think that Vladimir Putin will take agressive actions on revenge (Wich i'll gladly welcome it as decision) but he is smarter than that.Turkey you just fucked up big time.

USA this, USA that, boo fucking hoo.
When will you conspiracy theorists actually come to anything constructive and back up your ridiculous, illogical claims with actual EVIDENCE! That's right, your blaber is NOT EVIDENCE.

Besides, how on earth do you think the US benefits from ISIS bombing Europe? It's only ally?

Russia does this all the time in pretty much every country, but usually they leave after the warnings. I can only applaud Turkey for finally showing Russia to quit f**cking around.

Exactly my point.

[Brian]

I still find it incredible, compared, earth is such a small place and people still claim their 'parts', instead of running it free (I know, I know, ISIS, people will kill eachother, etc). But everything is being claimed, there's barely any freedom. Then when we are trying to protect the earth from the 'bad apples', we shoot down the 'good guys' because they're 'in our air-space'. Not like they're attacking you, they're attacking the bad guys. Just shows how little rights we actually have if we can't even protect ourselves from the bad.

Oh well, I've been trying to avoid this argument most of the time, but from what I've seen lately. Russians have been acting up the best against ISIS (Actually making proper targeted attacks and trying to make the least civil casualties, unlike France and the US). But since most of the world is 'Anti Russia' because they did things in the past and people seem to be unable to forget that, unlike things that Germany/ the US did. I used to actually 'dislike' Russia because of what I heard from people, but I did some research in to it, and Russia isn't all that bad. Sure they fly over foreign countries with 'war planes'. But do you really think the US or Germany don't spy on you with drones, satellites, etc.

Other than that, on the real topic. May everyone who fought for right that has died or got injured today rest in peace.

[Deni1997]

With all due respect we all know that Turkey is helping ISIL.

[Mikal]

Lol the bullshit, stupidity, and hypocrisy a person can read here is hilarious.

>The biggest logistic support of ISIS, next to Saudia Arabia, shots down an airplane of the army that's destroying ISIS more then all other countries together.
>British and Baltic people celebrates.

When #prayforlondon happens, make sure you look yourself in the mirror, and realize just how stupid you went.

I'm not spreading any bullshit or hypocrisy, I actually support what Russia is doing in Syria, it was peaceful under Assad's regime, trying to kick him out has only made things worse and I do believe the west should be working with Russia to stabilise the county.

I'm aware Turkey hasn't done any good in this whole ISIS situation, but Russia did fly into their airspace, and they cannot deny it, they got what they deserved for that, Russia has flew their nice shiny out-dated 'Bear Bombers' near UK airspace quite a few times, everytime they've been met by the RAF who ensured they did not enter, if they did the situation would have been the same, Russia wouldn't like it if we flew jets in/near their airspace and so they shouldn't do it to others.

I can't see '#PrayForLondon' happening, not to sound big headed but our security services are doing an extremely good job in preventing attacks, and it is also VERY hard to get a simple hand gun in the UK, never mind an AK-47...

USA this, USA that, boo f**cking hoo.

You're a fine one to talk Rytuklis, you don't shut up about Lithuania and the 'Baltic states', whatever they are.

Can we not get this topic locked by bringing ISIS and Paris and various other arguments that people can't just leave alone, this is about a jet being shot down for entering another countries airspace without permission, nothing to do with ISIS, if you don't want to talk about the original post, don't bother posting anything at all.

[Vaeldious]

Death of these men can be blamed on no-one but the Russian government.

Blamed on men on both sides. Those that trespass, and those that choose to authorize death. I was discussing the men caught between the two, the Pilot and Co-Pilot.

You're having problems with proportions here. Russia TRESSPASSED territory of ANOTHER  SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. It FAILED to divert its plane after TEN WARNINGS given out in five minutes.

I'm not disagreeing with your logic, I'm disagreeing with your morality.

So, applying your logic : a country invades us, but let's not fight back, because human lives matter.

Fight back? Invade? Really? It is apparent that this has been going on for a while and this is the first time anyone has done actionable. If it was an invasion, I think it would be a little more involved than a single aircraft on an off-books mission and a recon plane to try to gather intel on the downed craft of one of their own. Guess you would just lay down and die if the roles were reversed.

Seriously? DO you even think before you write?

I must not put any thought into anything I say to value human life, no matter the circumstance, since its only my opinion and perspective I am offering. You are being unnecessarily hostile during a conversation about humanity and humility. This whole event may have or can cost human lives because of the very exact arrogance you are displaying.

I still find it incredible, compared, earth is such a small place and people still claim their 'parts', instead of running it free (I know, I know, ISIS, people will kill eachother, etc). But everything is being claimed, there's barely any freedom. Then when we are trying to protect the earth from the 'bad apples', we shoot down the 'good guys' because they're 'in our air-space'. Not like they're attacking you, they're attacking the bad guys. Just shows how little rights we actually have if we can't even protect ourselves from the bad.

Oh well, I've been trying to avoid this argument most of the time, but from what I've seen lately. Russians have been acting up the best against ISIS (Actually making proper targeted attacks and trying to make the least civil casualties, unlike France and the US). But since most of the world is 'Anti Russia' because they did things in the past and people seem to be unable to forget that, unlike things that Germany/ the US did. I used to actually 'dislike' Russia because of what I heard from people, but I did some research in to it, and Russia isn't all that bad. Sure they fly over foreign countries with 'war planes'. But do you really think the US or Germany don't spy on you with drones, satellites, etc.

Other than that, on the real topic. May everyone who fought for right that has died or got injured today rest in peace.

I was going to clip this quote, but find that every bit of it is well better said and thought out than I ever could provide.

[AK47]

Russia does this all the time in pretty much every country, but usually they leave after the warnings. I can only applaud Turkey for finally showing Russia to quit f**cking around.

All the Turkey=ISIS comments and other unrelated stuff is pretty amusing. :P

[BojanS]

Russia actually fights ISIS. Turkey and USA support them.
True World's terrorists are NATO and United States.

[Huntsman]

You're a fine one to talk Rytuklis, you don't shut up about Lithuania and the 'Baltic states', whatever they are.

This is extremely out of context for starters. And for second, nothing but display of ignorance about the world around you.

I'm aware Turkey hasn't done any good in this whole ISIS situation, but Russia did fly into their airspace, and they cannot deny it, they got what they deserved for that, Russia has flew their nice shiny out-dated 'Bear Bombers' near UK airspace quite a few times, everytime they've been met by the RAF who ensured they did not enter, if they did the situation would have been the same, Russia wouldn't like it if we flew jets in/near their airspace and so they shouldn't do it to others.

This I agree with.

I can't see '#PrayForLondon' happening, not to sound big headed but our security services are doing an extremely good job in preventing attacks, and it is also VERY hard to get a simple hand gun in the UK, never mind an AK-47...

Well, Paris had strictest gun laws in EU as far as I'm aware. Did not exactly prevent the attacks. Black Market doesn't care about gun control. If you think the guys just went to a Parisian store and bought an AK47, you must be out of your mind.

Russia actually fights ISIS. Turkey and USA support them.
True World's terrorists are NATO and United States.

Once again, nothing but blaber completely unsupported by any facts.
Oh, and by the way, Russia fighting ISIS? They're not fighting ISIS, they don't care about ISIS. Their bombstrikes are driven by nothing but selfish means. They're bombing anyone that opposes the Assad regime. Their goal is to help Assad win the struggle for the government, not to destroy ISIS. Most of their bomb strikes were directed at Free Syrian Army, so no, they're not fighting ISIS. Yet Putin's public relations team has really managed to make him look like ä good guy in the eyes of the gullible ones like you.
I am not saying NATO is any better. Both the US and Russia should burn in hell. World would be much more peaceful without them.

[BojanS]

Once again, nothing but blaber completely unsupported by any facts.
Oh, and by the way, Russia fighting ISIS? They're not fighting ISIS, they don't care about ISIS. Their bombstrikes are driven by nothing but selfish means. They're bombing anyone that opposes the Assad regime. Their goal is to help Assad win the struggle for the government, not to destroy ISIS. Most of their bomb strikes were directed at Free Syrian Army, so no, they're not fighting ISIS. Yet Putin's public relations team has really managed to make him look like ä good guy in the eyes of the gullible ones like you.
I am not saying NATO is any better. Both the US and Russia should burn in hell. World would be much more peaceful without them.

He is a good guy in today's politics. What's wrong with Assad then? What do US have to do with him? Why don't Syrian people choose wether he should stay or not? They chosen to become refugees and not fight, they chosen to migrate to Europe. What about that?

US destroyed all wealthy nations in the middle east that wouldn't play how they tell them to.
Try to find info's on how ISIS started out and who gives them help.

Russia is a good country with high moral stands that offers balance in the World.
Thanks to creator of the Universe that we have Putin.

[Salmonella]

Since everyone is kinda shifting away from the actual topic and turning it into another ISIS thing...

Russia is a good country with high moral stands that offers balance in the World.
Thanks to creator of the Universe that we have Putin.

kek'd

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[BojanS]

Since everyone is kinda shifting away from the actual topic and turning it into another ISIS thing...

kek'd

http://mic.com/articles/58649/russia-s-anti-gay-law-spelled-out-in-plain-english#.kOfFPUiRc

Then why was hippie move shut down?
You have no clue, and you don't see.