Happy New Year

[Cofiliano]

Where did you get that from?

He just has a personal grudge, not connected to the subject at all, hopefully he wont derail the topic as much as his butt is hurt.

I'm open to ideas on how we can help attract more SA:MP players but I believe everyone should have equal opportunities to gain cars, houses, etc.

Of course, no one would be more privilege then any other player, yet any player who would join, would gain the same opportunities, irrelevant who he is, and where's he coming from.

[Kessu]

yet any player who would join, would gain the same opportunities, irrelevant who he is, and where's he coming from.

It already is so.

Groups however, unlike SAMP, will not get any benefits from HQ or the scripts regarding "free HQ and cars". Everyone has to earn those on their own by working hard in the server, just like everyone else not in a group. (Scripts do not even recognize properties as HQs, it's persons own decision to call it such, each and every property can work as one)

[Marcell]

Let's be f**cking honest on this one - reason why half players play on any Argonath rp server isn't just for the roleplay but due to economical scripts, the best example being how SAMP changed from 150 players to 10 for a few months after everyone's account was reset. As it is now, nobody would play VC:MP if we'd change it to 'commie scripts' where there's no economy and everything is focused only on roleplay, this is a fact. The issue is, we were tired of newbies having Infernuses after a month of playing on 0.3, thus why it's so harsh to get any money on 0.4. So should we just give SAMPers some kind of privileges so they get shit for free as they're already tired by having to grind on SAMP to make a living? well, no. But we gotta make money more accessible, the bank rob script isn't there (unless it got implemented since I got banned, dunno) which was one of the most popular ways to make money. The reward for trucking is a joke (50 bucks, lol) and the smuggling is bugged (unless it was fixed, don't remember). In those circumstances, I think managers should give out money for roleplaying, in a balanced manner. I don't mean grotesque situations where some newb will call an admin on skype and say 'HEY BOSS! I roleplayed picking up a newspaper in front of my house, could you pay me nao plzz??' but when like 10 ppl do those massive roleplays that we're used to there should be either some kind of payday (like on 0.3) or balanced rewards for specified RP scenarios. So you might say 'but why should people earn money for just typing for the whole day?' well why should they earn money for just shooting a guy who was typing the whole day to pretend he's a bandit?
I can assure you if this was the case everyone would enjoy playing more, basic human psychology is that we like getting rewarded for something. While roleplaying reward is interacting with people, there has to be a balance between the roleplay and economical scripts - and if people were to get paid for RP, they'd have a reason to continue playing, because by economy you feel like you're raising from rags to...better rags. Think of it as gamemasters in table-based RPG games, who decide the outcomes of situations as well as potential rewards.
I used to try and kept newbies playing by giving them money for doing roleplay jobs back in 0.3 but it's kinda hard to do when everyone is just broke.

[Klaus]

It's nice to see the servers activity rising again as of late.

[Nylez]

The fact that Welcome money has been added to the server is a very good thing as it keeps new players ingame.
Adding to that is that nobody ingame is extremely wealthy and therefore there is no unfair advantage over each other.
And if one player really has interest in roleplaying, he or she will find a way to make money.
A lot of moments ingame I find myself (for example) on lower hp with a new player dressed as a medic.
I explain the job to him by letting him heal me, and he made some money doing a job.
Not hard at all, and a new player gets the idea of how to be rewarded for performing an action.

If you can't be bothered to actually work for some money, and want it delivered to you upon asking, it is best for that person to stay away from any server regarding Argonath RPG.

Oh, and a happy belated newyear for everyone.

[SugarD]

The fact that Welcome money has been added to the server is a very good thing as it keeps new players ingame.
Adding to that is that nobody ingame is extremely wealthy and therefore there is no unfair advantage over each other.
And if one player really has interest in roleplaying, he or she will find a way to make money.
A lot of moments ingame I find myself (for example) on lower hp with a new player dressed as a medic.
I explain the job to him by letting him heal me, and he made some money doing a job.
Not hard at all, and a new player gets the idea of how to be rewarded for performing an action.

If you can't be bothered to actually work for some money, and want it delivered to you upon asking, it is best for that person to stay away from any server regarding Argonath RPG.

Oh, and a happy belated newyear for everyone.

Very well said. That was also a great example!

[Marcell]

If you can't be bothered to actually work for some money, and want it delivered to you upon asking, it is best for that person to stay away from any server regarding Argonath RPG.

Lol what the fuck are you talking about, did you even read my post or maybe you misread my nickname and took me for a newbie? Wow, you let newbie earn a hundred bucks, I think you should call up Batman now, he'll definately want you as a sidekick now that Robbin's gone, actually fuck that dude, you should just sign up for charity in Africa, people from the Red Cross should just lick your shoes man, really.
I gave out prolly more than half a million for free by giving out roleplay jobs to newbies and regulars alike so don't pull that bullshit on me. You don't get the point at all. By giving money for roleplaying you encourage someone to roleplay, even if he sucks at it he improves his skill by doing it repeatedly, and roleplaying is the main point of the server itself. By resorting to earning money only through scripts; you FORCE the newbie to ignore roleplay because THIS IS A GAME, in GAME you must feel a sense of progress, the server is called RPG, RPG was always progressing your character. Both through roleplay, and things like say getting a better sword - on Argo the equivalent of better sword will be a better car, and getting a better car will require guess what $$$$$$$$.

Now let's imagine an example, and let's use some logic.....
Regular = r newbie = n
<regular does a 3 hour gameplay with the newbie involving a spree of shop robberies for example, they escaped the police so it can be considered that they 'won'.>
n: so uh.....how do I buy a car?
r: you gotta get some money man!
n: but we just robbed 10 stores and escape the police trying to arrest us, so shouldn't we get some money for that? I mean, we spent 3 hours on that right?
r: uh.....no, it doesn't work like that dude. it wasn't scripted, so no money for us
n: but the manager was just the cop chasing us and all, don't you think it'd be fair if he'd give us some reward for the rp?
r: no man no, its not scripted so no. you gotta wait a year until there's a scripted bank rob, then you can earn some money by crime.
n: uhh....so how do I get money like, NOW?
r: oh yeah.... be a cop dude.
<the newb proceeds to be a cop for the next week, pretty much just arresting and killing everyone without any interaction, just so he can get money for that shitty car he needs>

if YOU don't see anything wrong with this......well it's your opinion, but IMO it's just fucking stupid.

[Kessu]

Funny enough, bankrob is being scripted as we speak and smuggling works. Me and Klaus have been giving out paydays when a good roleplay is done that involves most of the server.

Smuggling was fixed after couple of days if I recall correctly. Then there's drugs script, which we released a few out to the world for free so players can have a small taste of what the drugs will be like.

Let's not forget mini-missions are being added with the rate that fuzzie can make them and doom is working on alternative ways to make money instead of trucking (as a civilian that is).

The server was released less than half done because we simply wanted a server to play on for us and the players as well as to have Argonath back in 0.4 client. Scripting team is working constantly on making new upgrades, but it does take time and you must understand their position.


You played during the very start of the server, which we knew was going to be slow economy wise. It will just go forward from here, but we will still be careful about adding too much easy money making to avoid the excuse of ingame economy that was in all previous script versions.

[Nylez]

Now let's imagine an example, and let's use some logic.....
Regular = r newbie = n
<regular does a 3 hour gameplay with the newbie involving a spree of shop robberies for example, they escaped the police so it can be considered that they 'won'.>
n: so uh.....how do I buy a car?
r: you gotta get some money man!
n: but we just robbed 10 stores and escape the police trying to arrest us, so shouldn't we get some money for that? I mean, we spent 3 hours on that right?
r: uh.....no, it doesn't work like that dude. it wasn't scripted, so no money for us
n: but the manager was just the cop chasing us and all, don't you think it'd be fair if he'd give us some reward for the rp?
r: no man no, its not scripted so no. you gotta wait a year until there's a scripted bank rob, then you can earn some money by crime.
n: uhh....so how do I get money like, NOW?
r: oh yeah.... be a cop dude.
<the newb proceeds to be a cop for the next week, pretty much just arresting and killing everyone without any interaction, just so he can get money for that shitty car he needs>

if YOU don't see anything wrong with this......well it's your opinion, but IMO it's just f**cking stupid.

I didn't quote any of your last comment, I talked in general, not directly to you.

Nice unnecessary swearing in your last sentence by the way, that'll convince us about the points you make, instead of getting irritated by it.  *sarcasm*

Anyways, I count myself as a regular and if I really would be playing for 3 hours straight with a noob robbing a bank or whatever, I would ask Klaus myself for a small payday to be paid for our work.

Adding to that is that whenever a scenery happens where there is lack of roleplay (cops vs criminals) Klaus uses a taxday as a sign that it must be done better this time. As the amount of money everyone has is low, they will try harder once they lose money.

[Klaus]

Economy seems stable to me. In time more ways of earning money will appear.

[Teddy]

Funny enough, bankrob is being scripted as we speak and smuggling works. Me and Klaus have been giving out paydays when a good roleplay is done that involves most of the server.

Good. This was one of my favorites back in the day. I think SA:MP should also follow the same mindset of only using paydays when the RP is well within the server. As of late we've been fairly reckless with them.

Keep it up.

[KiiNgZoNe]

I gave out prolly more than half a million for free by giving out roleplay jobs to newbies and regulars alike so don't pull that bullshit on me. You don't get the point at all. By giving money for roleplaying you encourage someone to roleplay, even if he sucks at it he improves his skill by doing it repeatedly, and roleplaying is the main point of the server itself. By resorting to earning money only through scripts; you FORCE the newbie to ignore roleplay because THIS IS A GAME, in GAME you must feel a sense of progress, the server is called RPG, RPG was always progressing your character. Both through roleplay, and things like say getting a better sword - on Argo the equivalent of better sword will be a better car, and getting a better car will require guess what $$$$$$$$.

I see where this is coming from. This is definitely the reason why I never reached more than $50,000 before, both in 0.3 and of course in 0.4 (which I think I'll never be lol). At least now, the payday concept gives a little bit of motivation to the players, but not everyone of them knows of this, so those players would think the paydays and taxes are a tad too random. Hence, that alone wouldn't help, in my opinion. Hopefully more gainful opportunities arise...

I can correctly predict that the trucking feature will be ignored altogether by the players in the near future especially new scripts are coming which would, of course, make more opportunities for earning money. A fixed $50 pay on trucking job will not cut it, in their hearts and minds, of course. At least there's some small trick to it.....but requires you to be tremendously fervent.

[Kessu]

I see where this is coming from. This is definitely the reason why I never reached more than $50,000 before, both in 0.3 and of course in 0.4 (which I think I'll never be lol). At least now, the payday concept gives a little bit of motivation to the players, but not everyone of them knows of this, so those players would think the paydays and taxes are a tad too random. Hence, that alone wouldn't help, in my opinion. Hopefully more gainful opportunities arise...

I can correctly predict that the trucking feature will be ignored altogether by the players in the near future especially new scripts are coming which would, of course, make more opportunities for earning money. A fixed $50 pay on trucking job will not cut it, in their hearts and minds, of course. At least there's some small trick to it.....but requires you to be tremendously fervent.

Trucking delivery fee is tied to the stock ordered, and unowned businesses always reward you 50 bucks.

Wait until people start having enough cash to order 5k stocks and you'll be rewarded quite nicely as trucker

[Klaus]

Server still peaking at 20+ players at weekends

[SugarD]

Server still peaking at 20+ players at weekends

W00t!

Any idea what time zone that graph is displayed in?