Addition to the radar dots suggestion

[Mikal]

You have blips to help you see the cop arriving. If you can not react to that, who is the one lacking skills?

As it stands both sides can use blips to their advantage, and it would be the same if blips got removed, criminals wouldn't know where cops are unless they see them and cops would have the element of surprise when arriving at situations, at the end of the day removing blips would make the server more roleplay, the amount of times I've seen RP's ruined because of blips makes it not worth keeping them, it's atleast worth a short trial period.

[Deni1997]

Cops also want blips gone, when they go supervising and dont want to be seen by criminals, and criminals want some space without being interupted every fucking time.. So yeah both sides want this, make it happen then!

[Salmonella]

Cops also want blips gone, when they go supervising and dont want to be seen by criminals, and criminals want some space without being interupted every f**cking time.. So yeah both sides want this, make it happen then!

No, a select group of SAPD members want this, not realizing the majority of cops don't operate using all their tools like Teamspeak, start in the community by themselves and have to learn how to play this game as well. Just like everyone, which is why it's a pretty selfish idea as well.

[jovanca]

So what about removing blips but changing area to be a little more detailed but not like it was, so a collection of areas would count as Eastern Los Santos, Western Los Santos etc. Split the areas into portions of grouped locations.

This is what i suggested yday and is a nice solution.

[Benn]

>guy is tied and sorrounded by 3 people in a dark alley
>two of them grab him, making sure he won't run
>cop sees multiple blips on the map so he drives as fast possible there
>guy sees the cop and instead of attempt to resist he runs towards the cop
>guy shouts at cops what those three were doing to him completely ignoring the attempts by the three guys to drag him
>cop calls for backup on radio
>the whole PD arrives and in matter of a minute you are sorrounded, you got no other choice so you decide to give up

At end the guy is magically safe but he did ignore the roleplay from the three guys who tied him up, he ruined their roleplay. You try to explain him what he did wrong but he decides to ignore or insult you. Of course the three guys are pissed off because everyone does the same thing.
This happens in almost every scenario, even if you are hanging out with your friends, i'm not saying it is a bad thing that someone actually is looking for roleplay but at least make sure not to ruin it.
Perhaps we could try to reduce the range to something like /s.

You can't force people to roleplay according to your own scenario you built in your head... for an  example:
In your own head it sounds like this: I tie the person up take him into the woods or the desert, steal everything he has and abandon him there.
and when you try to embody your plan something go different... the person rebel when you try to tie him up and attempt to escape and he succeed... this doesn't mean the roleplay is ruined and thats the problem with most of our players when something goes wrong with their plan they call the roleplay off and accuse the player for ruining roleplay.

And about the scenario you described, there are some better roleplayers than anothers, you either teach the guy how to roleplay better or you choose another person who you think will cooperate better

[jovanca]

 Fix the current new player spawn places. Don't spawn them in LV at all. Put spawn at LS city hall and SF city hall.

[Mikal]

the majority of cops

Just like the majority of cops don't RP, don't have any intention to RP and love driving up to crowds of blips to ruin RP.

Take this for example, the other day during the SAPD ceremony FLA were hidden in a railway shed waiting to attempt an assassination of Drix, out of nowhere (not going to give names) a PD helicopter with to my knowledge a high ranker sat inside it flies past and then basically lands outside of the shed to see who was inside, there's no way if his intention was roleplay that he would have seen us all sat inside it, and from that moment on our cover was blown with constant fly pasts and by the time we got to the ceremony there were cops stalking us everywhere making it impossible for us to do what we had intended to do.

#RemoveBlips #FuckDaBlips #BlipsGoToHell

[Mikro]

Just like the majority of cops don't RP, don't have any intention to RP and love driving up to crowds of blips to ruin RP.

Thank you, but please keep these provocations out of this discussion. They serve not additional value.

what we had intended to do.

Read up what Benn wrote. The fact that it didn't go as you intended, does not mean the RP is ruined.

[Mikal]

Thank you, but please keep these provocations out of this discussion. They serve not additional value.

I'm not trying to insult police, I'm just stating what I see as a valid fact, it's probably one of the reasons why senior SAPD staff are suggesting removing blips.

[Gandalf]

As it stands both sides can use blips to their advantage, and it would be the same if blips got removed, criminals wouldn't know where cops are unless they see them and cops would have the element of surprise when arriving at situations, at the end of the day removing blips would make the server more roleplay, the amount of times I've seen RP's ruined because of blips makes it not worth keeping them, it's atleast worth a short trial period.

RP is never ruined when you have skills to interact with anything that you encounter. Only if you wish to force your ideas on others you will cry about RP being ruined.

[Mikal]

I didn't say the RP we had planned was ruined, "what we had intended to do" was assassinate Drix, however due to some lack of RP by the helicopter pilot that was what was ruined, we kept RPing all the way back to the LSPD, where we were rekt m8 by some cops in LSPD trying to do "what we had intended to do".

[Deni1997]

RP is never ruined.

Bro, hahah, believe us, RP gets ruined a lot of times, 4-5 dots on the map and some cops rush in to start shooting, some cops can respect the privacy of criminals, and that's nice from them, but some just do not give a single fuck about others. Criminals and civilians have no space, they have no peace, as I said 10 thousand times already.. We have so much complaints about roleplays being interupted, it's just crazy.. Alteast lets give it a shot with this.

[Benn]

Bro, hahah, believe us, RP gets ruined a lot of times, 4-5 dots on the map and some cops rush in to start shooting, some cops can respect the privacy of criminals, and that's nice from them, but some just do not give a single fuck about others. Criminals and civilians have no space, they have no peace, as I said 10 thousand times already.. We have so much complaints about roleplays being interupted, it's just crazy.. Alteast lets give it a shot with this.

why you removed half of the quote and added a dot to it? this isn't what Gandalf said, You changed the whole meaning of it.

[Mark]

You can't force people to roleplay according to your own scenario you built in your head... for an  example:
In your own head it sounds like this: I tie the person up take him into the woods or the desert, steal everything he has and abandon him there.
and when you try to embody your plan something go different... the person rebel when you try to tie him up and attempt to escape and he succeed... this doesn't mean the roleplay is ruined and thats the problem with most of our players when something goes wrong with their plan they call the roleplay off and accuse the player for ruining roleplay.

And about the scenario you described, there are some better roleplayers than anothers, you either teach the guy how to roleplay better or you choose another person who you think will cooperate better

I never said or meant to force the guy to roleplay the way i want, i'm talking about those who write a few lines in the chat such as "fuck you man, go fuck yourself" and run to the first blue blip they see on the map.
For you it is realistic to escape from two men who are holding you tightly WITHOUT trying to resist at least with /me and shout at the first cop passing by because you don't want to loose something in roleplay, yeah it is too difficult  for you all to accept the fact you are being robbed. 
You got no idea of what i'm talking about because you never tried before, maybe that's why i don't even see you roleplaying around the server eh. I'm tired of people making up accusations based on facts they have never witnessed just to try to look good at the eyes of some virtual peeps.

[Gandalf]

I never said or meant to force the guy to roleplay the way i want, i'm talking about those who write a few lines in the chat such as "fuck you man, go fuck yourself" and run to the first blue blip they see on the map.
For you it is realistic to escape from two men who are holding you tightly WITHOUT trying to resist at least with /me and shout at the first cop passing by because you don't want to loose something in roleplay, yeah it is too difficult  for you all to accept the fact you are being robbed. 
You got no idea of what i'm talking about because you never tried before, maybe that's why i don't even see you roleplaying around the server eh. I'm tired of people making up accusations based on facts they have never witnessed just to try to look good at the eyes of some virtual peeps.

Ask the 8 men surrounding me yesterday how I solve it. Hint: the cops that arrived twice left without interrupting and no money changed hands, nor was any violence used.
Some peole will run to the cops, just like they will in real life. Why are you so unwilling to give up in that case? Seems you have an issue in forcing roleplay on others, which is disallowed.