Clarification

[Mitch_Baker]

I have a general question that I need help processing and need clarification on.
(Please keep in-mind this tread is NOT for peoples Bulls**t or fighting, its for clarification purposes only)

I was on a traffic stop yesterday with Andrew_Duncan and the suspect Evergreen_La~something requested a supervisor(Yokos) we complied and Role-played the whole thing and the suspect was given a $250 fine. he claimed to not be able to pay the fine and supervisor told us to give him ten minutes to pay if not we can jail him for failing to pay the fine. We did that. Then he logged out. So we left it until the next time he was on-line to complete the role-play. he came on-line a few hours later and Andrew located him and his friend and tried to continue the RP that ended in Andrew's death. I was not with him at this time. He came on again today so I located him with a number of other officers and we continued to RP the warrant for an unpaid fine. He didn't want to pay the fine and was AFK and would NOT attempt the RP at all claiming because he they killed Andrew the fine is now void and that RP is over. Admin Peter comes on-line and I ask for help. Evergreen told his side, we attempted to tell out side. It even with Evergreen being able to leave free, and myself being banned for 60 minutes for "Wasting admins time"

((Remember this is NOT a complaint or a b***h session, that's the back ground of the issue for a full picture of the situation for someone to give actual advise and suggestions about the issue))

The questions are:
a) Does a RP situation end because ONE of the three present officers die? or does it keep going until all THREE officers that were there at the time die?
b) Was the admin temp-banning me for "wasting admins time" justified, or is that the whole reason they are there to help sort out those issues between players?
c) What other ways can I deal with Players who flat out refuse to RP and use server loop holes to escape RP situations/paying fines.

[eymas]

a) Does a RP situation end because ONE of the three present officers die? or does it keep going until all THREE officers that were there at the time die?

The situation ends for the dead person only, were it to be an officer he could return after redutying/rearming as he is considered a new/another officer.

b) Was the admin temp-banning me for "wasting admins time" justified, or is that the whole reason they are there to help sort out those issues between players?

You've explained the situation with the administrator vaguely in your example, It's best to report the full story here as that can give us a cleaner worksheet than a topic everyone can reply on.

c) What other ways can I deal with Players who flat out refuse to RP and use server loop holes to escape RP situations/paying fines.

Don't roleplay with them and report them if they abuse scripts and/or go afk to refuse/avoid roleplay.

[Solis]

Eymas pretty much answered your questions. Make sure to also report it in the appropriate section, with screenshots/videos if possible and be as verbose as possible and necessary in your description.

I'm sorry you guys had this experience. Avoiding roleplay and killing people just so you don't have to pay a petty $250 fine is... well just bad.

[eymas]

Avoiding roleplay and killing people just so you don't have to pay a petty $250 fine is... well just bad.

Considering that the average player has roughly 30x as much cash, it only makes you wonder why they struggle with such little amounts 

[Mitch_Baker]

Thank you for a fast reply!

I don't think I will be filing a report against the Peter, as it was only a Temp-ban, I was only asking if that is a justified reason "wasting an admin time" I kinda thought that was the whole point of them being there to help with these types of issues ingame rather them wasting time on forums. I only asked Peter to help as the suspect was avoiding RP for nearly an hour and though admin would be able to help myself and other officers about his claim the "The roleplay is finished" My thought of Role play is its meant to be as close to IRL as we can make it (within reason) his defence that Andrew had died so the RP was over didn't sit right with me, as I believe it continues until he's jail, pays ticket or is killed; that's mainly what this was for to clarify if in-fact I am allowed to pursue him still for the ticket as I was present at the time of the ticket and assisted in the traffic stop on him (therefore knowing IC who he is and that he owes a ticket, or jail time)

I highly respect Peter as a staff member and don't want to cause him trouble, I just needed some form of clarification as in-game I know its hard for admin to get a both sides of a story due to chat moving, others having an opinion and so one. I full understand it. hence this post.

[TiMoN]

c) What other ways can I deal with Players who flat out refuse to RP and use server loop holes to escape RP situations/paying fines.

Get their names and avoid interacting with them.

[[Rstar]Peter]

You have been temporary banned because of "Wasting administration time and DM" because when I told Evergreen that he may leave, you started shooting at him.

[eymas]

Wasting an admin's time is when he is called to a dispute where nothing is wrong and doesn't need external help to solve it. If you could've solved the case yourself then you've only distracted the staff member from other reports/trouble that does need his attention. Can't say the tempban is fitting as it may have been too much, but that's why I asked for more details to see if it was.
- As you've broken another rule while Peter was watching, it was indeed a valid punishment.

I'm glad you understand it at least, and if I may add to your quote about roleplay; You are permitted to roleplay as close to IRL as you want, but this doesn't mean others can/should follow suit. Argonath allows any kind of roleplay as long as it is within reasonable boundaries, so a person can act as realistic as he wants to, but others can also act like complete clowns despite being a chief of the FBI or something along the likes.
This of course doesn't mean they can refuse roleplay, you -have to- roleplay when approached with it.

[Mitch_Baker]

You have been temporary banned because of "Wasting administration time and DM" because when I told Evergreen that he may leave, you started shooting at him.

The shooting was a mistake, I wasn't there for that, I had attempted Alt-Tab to post here. then I was frozen and banned. I don't think i was handle well, but at the same time Admin have the last say. This thread is not a complain against Peter, its just asking about the situation.

So next time Evergreen is on and we bump into each other I am in fact able to RP the Warrant for failing to pay his ticket?

[[Rstar]Peter]

The shooting was a mistake, I wasn't there for that, I had attempted Alt-Tab to post here. then I was frozen and banned. I don't think i was handle well, but at the same time Admin have the last say. This thread is not a complain against Peter, its just asking about the situation.

So next time Evergreen is on and we bump into each other I am in fact able to RP the Warrant for failing to pay his ticket?

Yeah you shot his vehicle for around 3 times and it maybe miss click ... :|
No, Evergreen and his friend escaped (even tho' Evergreen was not suspected but he was aiding his friend) so that RP scenario is over regardless of Andrew's death or whatever.

[Mitch_Baker]

I fail to see how an RP scenario "ends" Do the other two officers get amnesia or something and forget he owes a fine? how is that justified he's friend, Rim i think its name was kill Andrew, hours later. So he doesn't have to pay a ticket he was given in a separate incident?

I fail to see logic behind that, no matter how I try to understand it. 

[CharlieKasper]

I fail to see how an RP scenario "ends" Do the other two officers get amnesia or something and forget he owes a fine? how is that justified he's friend, Rim i think its name was kill Andrew, hours later. So he doesn't have to pay a ticket he was given in a separate incident?

I fail to see logic behind that, no matter how I try to understand it. 

Think of it as a way to end the roleplay. If suspects didnt escape, it could cause an endless loop of shootouts in which the only outcome is death of either of the sides. To keep it fair, suspects are allowed to escape (via scripts) and not be pursued for the particular crime they commited.

About the fine case, I am not sure but if you have proofs, you can sue the person in court.

Get their names and avoid interacting with them.

Also this, people who don't roleplay along are cancerous.

[Mitch_Baker]

Thank you Charlie for that.

I have spoken to the other officers we think we will drop it with him, We will be avoiding RP with him in the future. I however do think Tickets script should be added to help avoid these types of situations, Allowing people to get away with not paying just causes players to fight with each other and apparently staff. this server used to be a-lot of fun, not players are just finding loopholes to escape dealing with there crimes. If players avoid paying fines, police have no income. If we cant get ticket system maybe it should be added into rules that if your are given a ticket you must pay it or dispute it. not just get away with being a di*k and using loopholes.

[(tr)Ollie]

Just do /me gives <xyz> $250.

Why does money even have to change hands? It's about the RP surely. That's what I don't understand about all these random traffic stops.

[AK47]

Why does money even have to change hands?

Because everyone is greedy? :p