ignore rp, avoid rp, not rping = worse than hacking, get banned

[[NP]Monte Montague]

If you have something worth saying then do so.

I am soz; something caused me to post far too early.
You can see the above post again! :-)
Ty for your swift encouragement <3

[Huntsman]

What if I told you that if we f**cking used the f**cking taboo words "power gaming" instead we wouldn't be having all these confusions between forced RP and forced to RP?

Sir.. Bless you..

[Teddy]

No one joins a roleplay server and expects not to roleplay or interact with people.

They do here apparently or there wouldn't be merit to this.

[.Matthew.]

They do here apparently or there wouldn't be merit to this.

Remains of RS4 mentality which was all about daily dose of adrenaline, gang vs gang, mafia vs mafia, cops coming into the groups, shootout starts, people driving over people on streets, driving over objects, posts, lamps... freeroam basically.

[Teddy]

Remains of RS4 mentality which was all about daily dose of adrenaline, gang vs gang, mafia vs mafia, cops coming into the groups, shootout starts, people driving over people on streets, driving over objects, posts, lamps... freeroam basically.

Yes, a mentality we intend on purging with fire

[Spike.]

Yes, a mentality we intend on purging with fire

I believe it will take a bit more than a few bans for this to change, but anyways it's better than no progress at all so..

Spoiler for Hiden:

[Que]

The whole identity of Argonath has always been to avoid the serious mentality of roleplay and hide behind slogans and quotes once made by the leaders of the community, who happily jumped up on their horses, blatantly talking shit about every other roleplay server and disallowed anyone to talk about them. Once people took it to the next level, in-game or on the forum, they always got lots of shit and ended up banned somehow because they couldn't handle it anymore. If it wasn't people destoying the roleplay, just for fun or because they didn't know better, it was the mainchat, the provocative manner or the admin team who surely had no whatsoever idea of roleplay and randomly placed out warns and bans because people got mad when their roleplay got demolished and the whole one hour of playing went to the bin.

Now, when we got the leaders who actually focus the roleplay and the seriousness of the script updates, the old generation of roleplayers are missing. The name of Argonath remains, so does the rumors and old historic styles of roleplay which still targets yet a quite low standard. I'm openly suggesting more hard tones when it comes to the rules regarding roleplay, otherwise we will never get to the point where people choose Argonath for roleplay. It's still a place you hang out at once you're bored and not really a place where you go to roleplay.

[Andeey]

The whole identity of Argonath has always been to avoid the serious mentality of roleplay and hide behind slogans and quotes once made by the leaders of the community, who happily jumped up on their horses, blatantly talking shit about every other roleplay server and disallowed anyone to talk about them. Once people took it to the next level, in-game or on the forum, they always got lots of shit and ended up banned somehow because they couldn't handle it anymore. If it wasn't people destoying the roleplay, just for fun or because they didn't know better, it was the mainchat, the provocative manner or the admin team who surely had no whatsoever idea of roleplay and randomly placed out warns and bans because people got mad when their roleplay got demolished and the whole one hour of playing went to the bin.

Now, when we got the leaders who actually focus the roleplay and the seriousness of the script updates, the old generation of roleplayers are missing. The name of Argonath remains, so does the rumors and old historic styles of roleplay which still targets yet a quite low standard. I'm openly suggesting more hard tones when it comes to the rules regarding roleplay, otherwise we will never get to the point where people choose Argonath for roleplay. It's still a place you hang out at once you're bored and not really a place where you go to roleplay.

Go ingame.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Spoiler for The Argonath Vision:

"4.   Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.

5.   Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community"

This rule is not clearly described in the beginning which lead to the summary banning of several & the reluctance or failure of at-least two admins to ban earlier a person who was breaching the rules also is evidence of this.

This is evident in the way it came about - as something that was done in a way that seems as if it is intended to limit the fun of players; that it is intended to be strict and all serious face.
The title & the main thread in itself is evident that it wasn't well thought out of.

"Avoiding / Not Exhausting each and every role-play opportunity possible is Not allowed" would be much more better worded and would make a lot more sense.

Complex rules, a lack of vision and reacting on hatred and fear is not the way to success.

As far as I can see, VCMP and IVMP do not face the constant drama that SAMP does, and perhaps there is a strong reason for this - the straying of the original intention; to be warm and fuzzy in nature, nurturing, and not grouchy 

Spoiler for Read the Visions Introduction:

Argonath RPG was founded in 2006 with a clear target.
The founders were upset with the community they left because of how people treated each other, and how there was a lack of recognition from the administration for the efforts of new players and those who were not in the favor of leaders.
There for it was decided to create a new community that would be open to all people, and where new players were treated same as regulars and veterans. With a new community this was not a problem, as everyone was new and the only veterans were the main leaders.

The actions of the current membership of leadership within SAMP which from many examples is that which likes to call people cunts and assuming they are in bitch mode and the such is really not what most would've come to Argonath for... Not to be hated on or persecuted. Or condescended against.

If you really want to know why people left. Make a poll. Put the possible reasons. Let people vote on those polls. Let us judge the poll as if it is leading or not. But wait... am I being a problem here because I'm pointing out that there is concern regarding leadership and its decisions?

I know from regulars, admins, people of all types, of all hair dos, of all linguistically skill. New players especially who came and begun criticizing the treatment of new players in game, I remember that one very clearly!  They felt the community (at-least where SAMP was concerned) was becoming inwards, not an open place, not a place where they can discuss their concerns without fear of being made to look like a bad girl or bad boy. I asked such people; why not just simply speak up... It's not a bad thing... Yet they are reluctant because they are in fear that a certain person will simply issue them a ban with something like "you disappointed me" "anti HQ sentiment" "moaning".

Take a look at Gandalfs earlier posts. They were ones were the developers spoke to people on a level and people admired them for this. They did not feel like they were being spoken down to by a supposedly somewhat protective figure who is so protective it is somewhat destructive...

I urge that there is a rethink on what is the vision of Argonath SAMP at-least.
Set the vision in stone. Let it be recognized. Let it be competent. Let it be one that incites respect and honorable intent and not one that instantly considers if someone is cunt or dick.

Spoiler for Replies to this post:

Spoiler for Angry responses...:

You're still never going to activly play here so why do you keep posting ?

VC-MP is literally a server players go on for nostalgia and fuck around shooting one another as Cowboys and Indians, IVMP has yet to discovered the defination of RP and is limited as fuck with what you are allowed to do. Argo Vision is dead as well as RS4. Its time to move on and grow up. As far as I see people only get shit from HQ is because they start the shit first. If you literally go at HQ guns blazing don't expect for them to give you a pat on the back and treat you like a little baby. We're all supposed to be mature people here. If can't handle a little adult language then GTA isnt the game for you.
And lets be honest here since you've been given leadership of Paruni Monte you've been trying to compete so f**cking hard with SAMP RPG HQ even though they don't even give a rats ass about you or what you're doing. You been on this trip trying to call out everything they do as a mistake and all this crap. If you care so much about Argonath and the Community had you seen a problem with HQ you would talk with them privatly and get it resolved being a fellow Community Manager yourself. But no you go around throwing accusations and trying to stir drama trying to paint a bad picture for SAMP HQ. Clearly shows your maturity level. I still don't see why you spend so much time trying to spread negativity when you got your own community to deal with and that said community is a horse thats dead unike SAMP. THe SAMP HQ is focusing on fixing their issues and you can tell by the resurgance in player count for the past few days that its working. I suggest you spend your time working on your priorities before you come here pointing out others faults because we know your server has its issues, which are far worse than SAMP RPG.

Let's note that you have have totally blown a fuse over the post. That's your issue. Go calm down and come back when you are not so angry.
The background regarding your displeasure with Parallel Universe should not be brought to Argonath. However seeing as you wish to get a response, it can be amended when you choose to stop claiming the server is absolute shit yet continue ban evading to play on it & utterly refuse to be co-operative and fill in a simple ban appeal because you fear you will not be un-banned. I can see why you would think such of yourself.

My priorities are in order, do not worry about me.
But seeing as you are concerned, you can hit me on skype again ...
Why do you think its an attack / somehow malicious if a member of the community is saying something? Maybe you should stop your fearful thinking.

In Argonath RPG I can be the King of Spain yet I should not be treated with fallibility and neither as if I am meeting a fierce Catalan Republican.

Spoiler for Colorful discussion:

VCMP is literally a CnR server. It has no business having "RPG" in its server name. I hear that IVMP is the same thing but haven't seen it myself. Besides that, the Argonath "Vision" is outdated and full of contradictions.

The current server leaders are doing a good job removing mentally handicapped people from the server for shitty roleplay. I haven't had an issue with the "new" rule and if a player with a colorful punishment history like me can adhere to it, anybody can. That is unless they're mongoloids and have no place on the server to begin with.

Good distant friend, are you are the best example of superb mental health?
Your colorful punishment history is your issue. Perhaps VCMP was a bad example. But if the vision is the problem, why is it not being disowned entirely?

Yeah sure, IVMP =// roleplay server , i know some people who got enough of it and came in SAMP to have fun roleplaying. 

If this is the case, I retract the statement, I was under the assumption it was a roleplay server.
Regardless. Perhaps the vision is outdated. Perhaps its something that needs to be constantly changed to "get with the times dude". Or perhaps we reference it or follow some sort of vision which is clearly written over over if needed. Amended constantly if needed.

[Link9rly]

As far as I can see, VCMP and IVMP do not face the constant drama that SAMP does, and perhaps there is a strong reason for this - the straying of the original intention; to be warm and fuzzy in nature, nurturing, and not grouchy 

VCMP is literally a CnR server. It has no business having "RPG" in its server name. I hear that IVMP is the same thing but haven't seen it myself. Besides that, the Argonath "Vision" is outdated and full of contradictions.

The current server leaders are doing a good job removing mentally handicapped people from the server for shitty roleplay. I haven't had an issue with the "new" rule and if a player with a colorful punishment history like me can adhere to it, anybody can. That is unless they're mongoloids and have no place on the server to begin with.

[Gnb_22]

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You're still never going to activly play here so why do you keep posting ?

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VC-MP is literally a server players go on for nostalgia and fuck around shooting one another as Cowboys and Indians, IVMP has yet to discovered the defination of RP and is limited as fuck with what you are allowed to do. Argo Vision is dead as well as RS4. Its time to move on and grow up. As far as I see people only get shit from HQ is because they start the shit first. If you literally go at HQ guns blazing don't expect for them to give you a pat on the back and treat you like a little baby. We're all supposed to be mature people here. If can't handle a little adult language then GTA isnt the game for you.
And lets be honest here since you've been given leadership of Paruni Monte you've been trying to compete so fucking hard with SAMP RPG HQ even though they don't even give a rats ass about you or what you're doing. You been on this trip trying to call out everything they do as a mistake and all this crap. If you care so much about Argonath and the Community had you seen a problem with HQ you would talk with them privatly and get it resolved being a fellow Community Manager yourself. But no you go around throwing accusations and trying to stir drama trying to paint a bad picture for SAMP HQ. Clearly shows your maturity level. I still don't see why you spend so much time trying to spread negativity when you got your own community to deal with and that said community is a horse thats dead unike SAMP. THe SAMP HQ is focusing on fixing their issues and you can tell by the resurgance in player count for the past few days that its working. I suggest you spend your time working on your priorities before you come here pointing out others faults because we know your server has its issues, which are far worse than SAMP RPG.

[Morphine]

do any of you play VC-MP on a regular basis to give such loud statements regarding its gamemode? 

[Link9rly]

do any of you play VC-MP on a regular basis to give such loud statements regarding its gamemode? 

I got screenshots if you so desire. All I saw were people car surfing comically, cops literally suspecting for no reason just to start a chase and other miscellaneous forms of grinding. Can't forget the SAMP rejects crying in public chat about why their bans were supposed bullshit and whatnot. The only player I came across who was exhibiting any form of roleplay is community banned.

[Huntsman]

Oh you did not just say that...

Who the hell are you to judge what VC:MP is and what isn't? You can get more roleplay in VC:MP in A DAY than in the entire month in SA:MP. The majority of VC:MP population are regular players who are accustomed to what Argonath is and what they're supposed to do there. To say that VC:MP is any less of a roleplay server is plain bullshit and slandering. How about you actually gave the server a try, especially after the recent changes, rather than speak complete and utter bullshit out of your mouth? Who gave you the right, especially as a representative of an official part of Argonath, to slander a server you haven't even gave a decent try? I am sorry for my agressive behavior, but VC:MP is exactly what introduced me to the Argonath community and its concept. You're an idiot to say these completely stupid and unjustified things against a fellow community. I hope that such slandering against a community counter-part will be effectively dealt with.

IV:MP has a problem when it comes to roleplay because most of its playerbase are new players that come and go, and that's because regular Argonath players are not attracted to IV:MP due to the fact that they're using a client that's technically inferrior and has ceased development.

I got screenshots if you so desire. All I saw were people car surfing comically, cops literally suspecting for no reason just to start a chase and other miscellaneous forms of grinding. Can't forget the SAMP rejects crying in public chat about why their bans were supposed bullshit and whatnot. The only player I came across who was exhibiting any form of roleplay is community banned.

Then you got on a wrong time. VC:MP community outside of Argonath has mostly a DM mentality. If there is no admin around to keep them in check, they will start to misbehaving. The problem is that most admins spend more time trying to talk some sense into these new players that come from DM servers rather than playing. And it's something that we just have to deal with. Get on the server when regular players and admins are online.

@montemontague Jesus Monte, don't you ever get tired of typing walls of irrelevant text that most likely nobody will read to the fact that it's utterly irrelevant and/or pointing out the obvious? This isn't your literature class -_-

[Mark]

As far as I can see, VCMP and IVMP do not face the constant drama that SAMP does, and perhaps there is a strong reason for this - the straying of the original intention; to be warm and fuzzy in nature, nurturing, and not grouchy 

Yeah sure, IVMP =// roleplay server , i know some people who got enough of it and came in SAMP to have fun roleplaying.