Criminals: stop and think about this

[Teddy]

Hello,

I have heard so many of you sit and complain repeatedly things like "Cops don't roleplay" and "FBI can't roleplay" yet as I observe you and their interactions I frequently see you, the criminals, abusing our rules to kill any opportunity to roleplay. For example, Grandpa just the other day abused the system intentionally by saying it was a different character. So many of you also intentionally die just to avoid any follow up.

You cannot bitch about a lack of roleplay when you contribute to the problem by actively seeking ways to discourage roleplay. I am not sure yet how to rephrase the rules to avoid abuse since some of you shits are obviously abusing them... but don't worry I will find a way and put a stop to it.

Kindly,
Teddy

[Huntsman]

Nothing new really. Always been the same. Not saying all, but most criminals hardly ever roleplay. They only bitch and moan about us not roleplaying then it's convenient for them, but when it's not, they'll avoid any interaction attempt. A situation that happened a few days ago: I foot-chase a weed grower all over the back - o -beyond to Angel Pine on foot. We have a roleplay'ish shootout between me and the guy. Now he most likely either CB'ed or PM'ed his pal's, and a car full of armed to teeth criminals park near the suspect. Just in time backup arrives and I fire a few warning shots for the guys in the car to retreat. They immediately exit and all of them start blasting at us. Now the funny thing is, after the situation is over, one of the aiders has the nerve to report me to an admin for deathmatching and complain in my PM about "not roleplaying", when he comes armed to teeth and decides to ruin our RP by randomly aiding. And this is only one example out of hundreds.

[.Matthew.]

Indeed, it happens on daily basis and it's impossible to interact properly. Very good points brought up there.

[Devin]

It almost seems like we need to publicly name and shame those that insist on twisting the term roleplay to suit their needs as they deem necessary even if that means ruining others roleplay like in the given example.

It's not all about winning, it's about the player interaction. If you can't see past the factor of greed and not wanting to "lose" you are clearly on the wrong kind of server.

[TiMoN]

i'd really like to know whats going on

[jovanca]

I have to disagree with some things said above. Criminals label cops as dmers, cops do same for criminals. There is a group of people within law enforcing groups that i always enjoy roleplaying with. That includes most of swat and several individuals within sapd. Yet same way there is a group of criminals that i know will always roleplay and be realistic. People are prejudice and assume the worst as soon as they are being approach. This applies to both sides.

[Julio.]

I have to disagree with some things said above. Criminals label cops as dmers, cops do same for criminals. There is a group of people within law enforcing groups that i always enjoy roleplaying with. That includes most of swat and several individuals within sapd. Yet same way there is a group of criminals that i know will always roleplay and be realistic. People are prejudice and assume the worst as soon as they are being approach. This applies to both sides.

This.

For lack of a further useful comment from me, this is essentially cops and criminals: 

[eymas]

And how did that happen. Because it has occurred for years. The change has to come from the people.
Think about talking to yourself instead of the other guy, since it's all based on giving and taking.

You give little, you get little. You shoot, you get shot. You insult someone, you get insulted.
Obviously, you wouldn't like it. So why succumb and do it anyway?

[TrotlDebilni]

I might call out people by names in this post, but I don't think anyone named will be seen in a bad light, because everyone did their job;

I think people see every roleplay as a scenario that has a start and an end, and don't see their character as a role they are playing, for example back when I was in Sforza, I for shits and giggles spied on Tony and reported him selling weed and such to the PD (it was a special division whose name I can't remember) but we all handled it roleplayingly, when @TonySforza found out, I was driven to the middle of the ocean and shot off a boat, hell, half of the people who were there to shoot me didn't know why I was shot, because it was all a roleplay.

You know what happened afterwards? What should have, that character is dead, JackSforza is at the bottom of the ocean, so I changed my name, changed my persona, changed everything to "IsabellaSforza". It was done in a proper roleplay way because actions have consequences. I remember not being able to sell weed to Tony in Blaze because he was being spied on by the FBI. Everything should be roleplayed to it's fullest potential.

For example two days ago, I had one of the greatest roleplays ever with the Sopranos that ended with everyone having bad taste in their mouth because it wasn't given it's full potential.

I was running to Angel Pine and saw two people harvesting weed, so I took out my camera and snapped some photos, I called @Arslan and handed him the cartridge of the camera, as I was giving the cartridge I got called on the phone to missionary hill where we had a great roleplay of them trying to cut my tongue off, than we decided that I will be given money if I tell the FBI it was all a joke, so we drove to the FBI agent Mircea Niko but the roleplay didn't go their way because as soon as I approached him I told him that they were trying to kill and mutulate me, than I got killed which is perfectly normal, there was a shootout and the next day I get information that the criminals staged the roleplay so that Mario died.

But that took out half the roleplay, now FBI has nothing to investigate. One of the most fun I've ever had was with the FBI because they act like professionals, it baffles me that someone would willingly stage it so that they would get away from such an experience.

But again, THIS, all of it, the whole thing didn't break any rule and nothing bad happened, everything was done with great roleplay, everyone had tonnes of fun! I can't stress this enough, Mario and his whole crew did the mob thing ASTONISHINGLY WELL! But it .. ended.. why did it have to end?

I understand what you are saying Teddy, I don't think many people will, I don't think any rule should be changed to accommodate it, the players themselves have to figure it out.

i'd really like to know whats going on

Imagine this:
You rob a bank.
You were pictured from every angle, let's say they have your name, the FBI starts following you, taking pictures of you.
And instead of roleplaying back you stage it so that you ICly have died.
You gypped the cops out of roleplay.

[Teddy]

You rob a bank.
You were pictured from every angle, let's say they have your name, the FBI starts following you, taking pictures of you.
And instead of roleplaying back you stage it so that you ICly have died.
You gypped the cops out of roleplay.

This. Happens far too frequently and an end with it will be reached one way or another. If it be by choice for change or by force. We will create an environment where roleplay is available in every acceptable avenue. Those who think they're smarter than the system because they can bend it to their will are going to get fucked by that very system in a matter of time.

As Devin continues to reiterate... there is no "winning" here. You don't need to "win" every roleplay. You don't always need to have the high ground. So hop off the ego train and start making this a place fair for everyone or quite simply leave. 

[Jcstodds]

The best cop/criminal roleplays I found were the ones where everyone comes away from them feeling like they got a good deal and an enjoyable experience.

[jovanca]

Roleplay itself should be considered the 'win' by the players, not the outcome of it.

[Heller]

Roleplay itself should be considered the 'win' by the players, not the outcome of it.

the main problem is materialism.
We need more civilians, the actual persons representing some sort of professional organization.. eg Business of any legal kind or officials and not any criminal syndicate or a law enforcement group But unfortunately such type of people are too few in number. And currently this server is filled with cops and criminals[representative](i maybe wrong) and so, it is common to see conflicts between both the parties. Trolls not included xD
Also, We all are born with some sort of ego and because of that we have it in our genes to dominate any situation possible... however, this case may be different for those who wish to enjoy this life/game or admins with greater purpose/responsibilities and a few exceptional player also comes under this list. A Script can never solve this problem, its psychology.

[Gnb_22]

Lets be honest here it goes both ways. There are law enforcement individuals who are fabulous role players who we criminals enjoy RPing with but there are those who can't handle a loss in RP so they do everything in thier power to win. SAPD on a whole actually role plays and you see it, I mean there are a few instances here and there where a few individuals screw up from time to time but that doesn't reflect on the whole group. I believe you guys are missing the point when people say cops don't role play and FBI can't role play. There is a culture where cops just goes around doing /su ---> /mdc ---> /area ---> /m1 ---> /m3 ---> Shoot. We get it that not all cops are the same and not all cops do that but the number that does it is quite large hence the generalization which may or may not be fair. And to be totaly honest with you I still stand by the statement FBI can't roleplay. They most times they don't even do anything which is FBI related. They simply go around meta gaming 24/7 in order to win at thier scenario they get themselves involved in, They follow blips, They deathmatch criminals (there's a difference between shooting a criminals car to disable and spraying a car with M4 until its blown), They try to RP what is convenient to them, Whenever someone tries to RP a kidnaping or something they just take the victim and go camp behind the gate or doors inside, The list goes on. So if I beat them at thier own game by doing something what was convenient to me at the time I don't see anything wrong with it. But hey who am I to judge ?, I'm just a DMing cuntbag.

This. Happens far too frequently and an end with it will be reached one way or another. If it be by choice for change or by force. We will create an environment where roleplay is available in every acceptable avenue. Those who think they're smarter than the system because they can bend it to their will are going to get fucked by that very system in a matter of time.

As Devin continues to reiterate... there is no "winning" here. You don't need to "win" every roleplay. You don't always need to have the high ground. So hop off the ego train and start making this a place fair for everyone or quite simply leave. 

To be fair I agree with the whole concept of the no winning, and these situations happen far too often however, there is a player mindset and then there are those who comes with the IRL comparisons which at times are often unfairly compared. We need to find ways to curb these flaws.

[Teddy]

And to be totaly honest with you I still stand by the statement FBI can't roleplay.

and you have no credibility to make such an assessment when you actively and knowingly trashed a legitimate attempt to roleplay. You are a big part of the very problem outlined. I respect you but you need to help set a standard of quality, not of abuse.