Criminals: stop and think about this

[TrotlDebilni]

Makes Sence.
Then let's do this!

DAMN IT! I drew this up for you because you didn't get it: http://i.imgur.com/BQ1A4FF.png

What kind of logic is that, that's like "you can't bend the law in your favour, its not allowed". What?

But a dead person can't bend the law. No wait, let's start at the beginning.
If you kill yourself to avoid roleplay with the cops you aren't breaking a rule, but you aren't bending the law either, because you are dead, now the problem with this is that you can tell the cops "lol I died, you can't do anything to me" which is true and you get off scott free, but you can't do that, you are screwing the cops out of roleplay.

The whole point of this update is that cops and criminals will roleplay more

[Teddy]

now about this bullshit rigged "multi-character" system... for this I don't have any solution other than removing it. It's been a source of problems for years. Ideas?

[Mikal]

Ideas?

Let every player have 2 accounts, like admins.

[Luke]

Let every player have 2 accounts, like admins.

Yes!!!! Like legit I want to be a criminal and I want to be a cop, issue is that you cannot cos this is Argonath and if your in a channel with Corleone as a cop your criminal would be nice to have two identities.

[Teddy]

I think the fundamental problem is almost everyone here looks at something and thinks "how can I abuse this" rather than "how can I obtain better roleplay experience from this". For that we compromise nice things and cool concepts for anti-abuse structures that do hinder more possibility. It's sad and demotivating.

[.Matthew.]

One character for all. You choose what you want to be. Either be part of one group or another. Be a law abiding citizen or a criminal. Choice yours, but can't be both.
It's simply not possible in Argonath to allow people to have two characters. They'll abuse it and use information from one character to gain power in another.

[Sweeper]

Yet you still abused the system even after this. That is why we're discussing this.

Didn't Grandpa get killed by the same FBI that wanted to prosecute him?

now about this bullshit rigged "multi-character" system... for this I don't have any solution other than removing it. It's been a source of problems for years. Ideas?

Only allowed if you changed your SAMP nickname. So if you literally changed your name.

[Teddy]

Didn't Grandpa get killed by the same FBI that wanted to prosecute him?


Only allowed if you changed your SAMP nickname. So if you literally changed your name.

1. Different scenario.

2. The problem is we ditch the foundation of Argonath, do we REALLY need to compromise good things for anti-abuse structures? Is it really coming to the point where we honestly cannot do ANYTHING nice or great because people constantly find a way to abuse it for personal benefit at the expense of other's quality in the server? At this point we should consider just leaving everything off. I really don't want to be apart of this joke anymore.

[.Matthew.]

Remove those who abuse it and who are unable to accept loss. Remove those who encourage such behavior and don't comply with new roleplay standards. Once those who do it and who encourage it are gone, others wouldn't be under bad influence and would stay within the limits since I doubt they'd like to end banned. One risk with this is that quite a big chunk of playercount will be gone 

[Teddy]

It's simply not possible in Argonath to allow people to have two characters. They'll abuse it and use information from one character to gain power in another.

Yet, I have the mentality to separate mine. I have the knowledge and connections on EvilTeddy to bring down many with Teddy, yet when switching between the two there is no knowledge shared. Compartmentalization is easy for me, but for others we can easily see compartmentalization is difficult across a single character. Obviously, wouldn't work with Argonath.

[Rei]

DAMN IT! I drew this up for you because you didn't get it: http://i.imgur.com/BQ1A4FF.png

Let every player have 2 accounts, like admins.

This.

[Mobius]

It's fun to read this whole post knowing two days ago while roleplaying with an FBI agent he decided to take a cyanide pill in order to eventually die and bail out of the scenario we brought down to him... He'll probably get back to work on us after he had RPly died... I took the time myself to ask him if he would have CKed there, which he denied. How would that work? Porque explain it to me.

[Teddy]

It's fun to read this whole post knowing two days ago while roleplaying with an FBI agent he decided to take a cyanide pill in order to eventually die and bail out of the scenario we brought down to him... He'll probably get back to work on us after he had RPly died... I took the time myself to ask him if he would have CKed there, which he denied. How would that work? Porque explain it to me.

All players, regardless of criminal and law enforcement would be subject to this CK rule. There would be no differentiating between the two.

[Axison]

Right. Sorry if this is too stupid.

Imagine I am a criminal who's facing charges. I willingly in full role play capacity, kill myself. The next character i want to role play is a rich, educated person. I can't do that. Why? Because my account was wiped clean. This here kind of hinders certain role play scenarios. I can't go back to the same group with a different approach because hey, I got CKED.

Discuss

[Teddy]

One risk with this is that quite a big chunk of playercount will be gone 

I am a firm believer of quality over quantity. A lot of you talk about the player count as if it's important when the real importance is quality of engagement and roleplay within the server. When RS5.0 released there was hardly anyone on, a few quality people and my f**cking god we had a kidnapping roleplay that took place that was actually a full drawn out roleplay, extensive, and holy shit you wouldn't believe it actually ended without anyone dying or a single gun shot. Some of the best roleplays took place during that drought of players. I would take a small handful of good players over a shit load of shitty players any day.