The moaning ends now

[Khm]

What if you do not understand the punishment? How will you contact the anonymous staff member?

HQ of course knows its staff members and with the help of logs, a report through forums or [email protected] would do the magic.
Instead of applying a policy against who moan why not just cut the source of moaning itself?

[Teddy]

Happens too much and I honestly consider this as the main source that's creating the moaning and complaints.

I do believe this to be true to a degree but also understand the nature of administration. They don't have logs and they do have other priorities on the server other than to spend hours investigating a single incident. They are there to act if that be removing troublesome players or aiding a player in a timely manner. While also admittedly some people do misuse and we're slowly becoming more restrictive to prevent it.

[Teddy]

Instead of applying a policy against who moan why not just cut the source of moaning itself?

How does one see the source when it is covered up by so much shit and arguments? I don't think you understand the point. The point of this is so we can identify the source quicker, and see how people think it's best to rectify it. Take a look at this topic for example. I think it's the first in a while were every single post has some constructive value. Also take notice at those watching the topic but not replying who would normally be replying with nonconstructive comments. We can see it's effectiveness already taking shape.

[Ramo_Hawk]

I do believe this to be true to a degree but also understand the nature of administration. They don't have logs and they do have other priorities on the server other than to spend hours investigating a single incident. They are there to act if that be removing troublesome players or aiding a player in a timely manner. While also admittedly some people do misuse and we're slowly becoming more restrictive to prevent it.

Yes. I think that the removal of punishments should be re-put back though just in case the punishing administrator does take a wrong punishment back.

EDIT: Log for a quick chat on skype when you're free by the way.

[Teddy]

Yes. I think that the removal of punishments should be re-put back though just in case the punishing administrator does take a wrong punishment back.

That is something I think we can accommodate as it was partly implemented but never finished.

[McGarrett]

I really hope that I am not considered one of the players that moan as I have personally brought up suggestions in a more mature way and rather been supporting the developers as I understand they are bringing a product to us for free to enjoy. Personally, I am working as an assistant sales mananger and if there is something I have learned, then it is that the best sales man has bigger ears than a bigger mouth. While intelligence speaks, wisdom listens.

Let me suggest that, if a farmer sees a tree that is unhealthy, he doesn't look at the branches to diagnose it. He looks at the root. So like that farmer we must look at the root of Argonath to diagnose it, and not to the branches of RS5. Not to the branches of cops and criminals. We are the root. We are the foundation. This is the generation of Argonath that shapes what Argonath will look like in the future. We should not let this be a standalone decision by the veterans and owners. It is up to us to take care of Argonath, not Gandalf, not Aragorn, not Teddy, but all of us.

[Teddy]

I really hope that I am not considered one of the players that moan as I have personally brought up suggestions in a more mature way and rather been supporting the developers as I understand they are bringing a product to us for free to enjoy. Personally, I am working as an assistant sales mananger and if there is something I have learned, then it is that the best sales man has bigger ears than a bigger mouth. While intelligence speaks, wisdom listens.

Let me suggest that, if a farmer sees a tree that is unhealthy, he doesn't look at the branches to diagnose it. He looks at the root. So like that farmer we must look at the root of Argonath to diagnose it, and not to the branches of RS5. Not to the branches of cops and criminals. We are the root. We are the foundation. This is the generation of Argonath that shapes what Argonath will look like in the future. We should not let this be a standalone decision by the veterans and owners. It is up to us to take care of Argonath, not Gandalf, not Aragorn, not Teddy, but all of us.

The constructive quality of this post only shows that you are not one of the players that just moan without value. I also really do like the way you worded that example. An excellent way of putting it.

[Julio.]

I really hope that I am not considered one of the players that moan as I have personally brought up suggestions in a more mature way and rather been supporting the developers as I understand they are bringing a product to us for free to enjoy. Personally, I am working as an assistant sales mananger and if there is something I have learned, then it is that the best sales man has bigger ears than a bigger mouth. While intelligence speaks, wisdom listens.

Let me suggest that, if a farmer sees a tree that is unhealthy, he doesn't look at the branches to diagnose it. He looks at the root. So like that farmer we must look at the root of Argonath to diagnose it, and not to the branches of RS5. Not to the branches of cops and criminals. We are the root. We are the foundation. This is the generation of Argonath that shapes what Argonath will look like in the future. We should not let this be a standalone decision by the veterans and owners. It is up to us to take care of Argonath, not Gandalf, not Aragorn, not Teddy, but all of us.

I haven't seen you moan as such. Your topic about redesigning suspections seems quite well thought through and is definitely constructive.

Difficult to get the root, as the players I guess we're all roots, just a few people changing their attitude and outlook can make the difference between "the occasional moan" and "regular moaning"

[Khm]

How does one see the source when it is covered up by so much shit and arguments? I don't think you understand the point. The point of this is so we can identify the source quicker, and see how people think it's best to rectify it. Take a look at this topic for example. I think it's the first in a while were every single post has some constructive value. Also take notice at those watching the topic but not replying who would normally be replying with nonconstructive comments. We can see it's effectiveness already taking shape.

I have to agree that people get scared if they get threatened to be blocked from doing something, 1 month ban is annoying if you ask me.
But anyways, by the time it will stay like this and then what? By the time the staff will start to forget applying this policy or be lenient without even realising and we go back to zero again. Discussions like this would be the best to identify the source of moaning but with the right people of course, not a random guy who's mad that a new player stole his weed. Just focus on what I mentioned on the previous post (I mentioned it before countless of times but still meh) and of course on what the others have said.

[Teddy]

I have to agree that people get scared if they get threatened to be blocked from doing something, 1 month ban is annoying if you ask me.
But anyways, by the time it will stay like this and then what? By the time the staff will start to forget applying this policy or be lenient without even realising and we go back to zero again. Discussions like this would be the best to identify the source of moaning but with the right people of course, not a random guy who's mad that a new player stole his weed. Just focus on what I mentioned on the previous post (I mentioned it before countless of times but still meh) and of course on what the others have said.

The only people who should get scared are the one's who keep refreshing this and are upset their fun times of shit posting are over. There will no more leniency on rules. We have too frequently had this problem and now we have a solution. Replace staff. If the staff cannot consistently and fairly do their job, they won't have a job to do here anymore.

[Khm]

The only people who should get scared are the one's who keep refreshing this and are upset their fun times of shit posting are over. There will no more leniency on rules. We have too frequently had this problem and now we have a solution. Replace staff. If the staff cannot consistently and fairly do their job, they won't have a job to do here anymore.

Just make sure to hear both sides and check both evidences before doing anything as it would just create more problems (btw I am not referring to dealing the ig cases, I am referring to the behind the scenes reports and actions that happen to be sent by butthurts, manipulating as much as they can the evidences they have to win. Staff team IG should deal with what it sees and if there is any mistake it should be dealt behind the scenes by hearing both sides like I said.), you can't extinguish fire with fire.

[Sweeper]

Let me suggest that, if a farmer sees a tree that is unhealthy, he doesn't look at the branches to diagnose it. He looks at the root. So like that farmer we must look at the root of Argonath to diagnose it, and not to the branches of RS5. Not to the branches of cops and criminals. We are the root. We are the foundation. This is the generation of Argonath that shapes what Argonath will look like in the future. We should not let this be a standalone decision by the veterans and owners. It is up to us to take care of Argonath, not Gandalf, not Aragorn, not Teddy, but all of us.

The constructive quality of this post only shows that you are not one of the players that just moan without value. I also really do like the way you worded that example. An excellent way of putting it.

Even if I tell you he just copy-pasted it?


Anyway, most of moaning starts in /p. If you want to reduce moaning, reduce usage of /p.

[Teddy]

Anyway, most of moaning starts in /p. If you want to reduce moaning, reduce usage of /p.

I really wish we didn't see so much in /p, seeing so much in /p means there's less going on in /me /l /s/ etc.

[Julio.]

To me, a popular /p chat is indicative of a healthy and busy server. Dealing with moaning in /p on a case by case basis going forward is the most effective solution in my opinion.

[Paco]

To be honest, I do understand why Jones left the community in the first place. All the credz to you and the rest of the developers, Ted.

Sad we can't go grow the fuck up from the moaning. I just hope it's just a phase, and then y'all be feeling better. Mostly important, I do hope it doesn't impact your mental health, nor your health in general.