FLA vs ARPD - Let's talk

[eymas]

Lets just stop having the server be a bloody team deathmatch server and getting all sorts of fucking complaints from both sides as it's demotivating all of us, managers, sapd leaders, fbi leaders, players themselves...

Let us bash the heads together and find a solution to stop the constant witchhunting against each other as I am getting bloody tired from hearing the crying all the time.
What could the players do to stop the ongoing war, and what could HQ do to help this?

As I see it now the only solution we are going to is either to forbid interaction or kill off a certain group to prevent further poisoning. That or I would give up hope on salvaging this community.

[TrotlDebilni]

Script a wall between Flint county LS and SF, Make Border patrols..

Or you can just kill Off ARPD if you are going in that direction.

[Chase]

This is why Gandalf was against allowing terrorist groups in Argonath. It's hard to do it without this type of fiasco being created.

[McGarrett]

Personally, I feel that FLA is using their group as an excuse to be excluded from rules such as deathmatching. I was once in game, did not even know of the presence of any group called FLA, and I was patrolling in a helicopter. I drove over Angel Pine and was met with gun fire and was almost shot down.

[Luke]

The biggest issue is the fact that its rather a ego war then a roleplayed one. 

[Julio.]

This is indeed a dilemma.

Both sides should've been accepting that there's a decent chance they're going to die, and follow the basic rules of engagement, one being, not returning after death from either side (though I haven't personally heard anything of this nature).

Recently I saw a player moan about being DM'd twice after he'd already died in Angel Pine - The easy solution for this player would've been not to moan, and choose to spawn elsewhere, else enter an interior. Just because one SAPD Officer kills you doesn't make the others mind-readers and knowing you already died.

I wouldn't kill off any group because I suspect that would have ramifications past "a group being removed," I think there would be some sort of exodus.

By "certain group," we know which group is meant, but as the conflicts go, both "teams" are as bad as one another, so you couldn't deal out fair punishment.

Both groups just need to seriously tone it down, I've seen cops provoking FLA, I've seen FLA provoking cops, from an RP scenario, what does one side gain from these repeated shootouts? Fair enough, the odd shootout is to be expected, but to be at the point where we're seeing essentially the whole of the IG SAPD group vs all the FLA guys online in a shootout is ridiculous.

My official suggestion, rather than making this an administrative issue, would be to re-open an Army style group and impose marshall law on Flint County. I would opt to handpick the players that went into this group, and if there were ANY complaints, I would shut both down. Basic street cops should not have the resources (short of SWAT), to be dealing with a rebellion.

But that's my two cents on the matter, I know some will disagree, but in the best interests of both parties I think this is one of the only valid solutions.

[.Matthew.]

What'll creation of army bring? there's still gonna be continued blood and shootout daily. The point would be to stop the shooting and provocations and start to roleplay so both sides are good. Mikal is there thinking chopping people's fingers off, burning their faces, wearing masks, using some Anti-DNA shit chemistry is realistic.

[Mikal]

This is why Gandalf was against allowing terrorist groups in Argonath. It's hard to do it without this type of fiasco being created.

FLA isn't a terror group.

Personally, I feel that FLA is using their group as an excuse to be excluded from rules such as deathmatching. I was once in game, did not even know of the presence of any group called FLA, and I was patrolling in a helicopter. I drove over Angel Pine and was met with gun fire and was almost shot down.

Oh right, you were just randomly patrolling the dead back'o'beyond where little to no players go, and despite FLA's topic being the most posted in lately, you didn't know about their existence...


It was always pretty clear to me how this would turn out, the thing is, I don't think there's ever been as big of a challenge to law enforcement as FLA is and that would be why things have escalated so much between both sides, if you ask me what started all the chaos - that incident with SWAT and their tasers in Flint County, but they will say it was the situation at LS bank in which we killed them all with RPG's, etc, but I guess we'll leave that in the past now.

At the end of the day, it is law enforcement who come to us, it is law enforcement who block what we claim to be our roads, forcing us to go and remove them, if law enforcement did not come to us, we would not go to them, there would be no fighting, surely that would be best, since the job of law enforcement is meant to be to keep the peace, the only solution to end all this is an independent Flint Country.

[Luke]

At the end of the day, it is law enforcement who come to us, it is law enforcement who block what we claim to be our roads, forcing us to go and remove them, if law enforcement did not come to us, we would not go to them, there would be no fighting, surely that would be best, since the job of law enforcement is meant to be to keep the peace, the only solution to end all this is an independent Flint Country.

Seen it 3 days in a row, getting a little boring now.

[eymas]

The goal is to get rid of all the shootouts, adding more subjects would not help, like the wall or border patrol things.

Closing FLA is an option I would rather not take, but I feel we aren't getting to any other option if they remain on their set goal of bullying the ARPD. I liked their idea of an independent country with their own lifestyle but so far it's just a covert TDM, alas from what I keep hearing... The ARPD keeps fueling this as well.

I doubt anyone enjoys SA:MP anymore thanks to this global war, and we must come to a solution to keep both groups happy to a degree.

Practically, From what I understood. FLA just wants to have an independent country acknowledged by the state of argonath. De facto this isn't required as you can already roleplay this by our ruling. Players have the choice to accept or refuse this as they travel through flint county. They cannot be forced to comply with the policies that this country would then enforce. That way one part of the entire shitstorm is potentially solved.

This picture comes to mind.

[Kaze]

Players that play as cops in the game think they have the privilege and the power to do as they please ingame. I don't give a fuck if a badge means something to you I would slit your throat just as easy as I would to a homeless man.

This is like the Stanford Prison experiment where the police think they have more power than us. Simply tell the cops to get down from lala land and accept the fact that you can't stop a rebellion like that just because you carry a badge.

You either fight against the rebellion the right way or stop the bullshit. Going to them 24/7 guns blazing clearly isn't working for you. Did it take 3 minutes for the USA to find and kill Bin Laden? It takes time. Although I don't feel the need to offer my assistance to those who roleplay as cops I think it's time. Here's a hint. Take them down one at a time. Start from the bottom of the chain and work your way up. Get some dirt on each player and it take it through court then if the judge pleads guilty the defendant has a restraining order to be within that particular area. This is just an example of how you can attack an issue as a team.

A bunch of idiots really want to ruin a unique roleplay just because they disagree with a part of the map being independent; When was the last time you saw a successful group like this with unique objectives? unbelievable. How about the ARPD sponsors/supports a Legal party in dismembering the FLA? Find other ways. I'm tired of all your bullshit. This doesn't just go towards cops because a couple of criminals groups really get on my tits.

I'm done here. I hope the HQ respects and takes my opinion above into consideration.

*Drops mic*

@eymas

[Luke]

Aye, don't come to us, and there will be no shootout.

You dont get what I mean 

[eymas]

It was always pretty clear to me how this would turn out, the thing is, I don't think there's ever been as big of a challenge to law enforcement as FLA is and that would be why things have escalated so much between both sides, if you ask me what started all the chaos - that incident with SWAT and their tasers in Flint County, but they will say it was the situation at LS bank in which we killed them all with RPG's, etc, but I guess we'll leave that in the past now.

At the end of the day, it is law enforcement who come to us, it is law enforcement who block what we claim to be our roads, forcing us to go and remove them, if law enforcement did not come to us, we would not go to them, there would be no fighting, surely that would be best, since the job of law enforcement is meant to be to keep the peace, the only solution to end all this is an independent Flint Country.

I have heard that your group also searches up the ARPD itself. So you're the pot calling the kettle black.

I suggest you come up with constructive arguments rather than to pretend you're untouchable. You're the one that I have sights on in the first place, You started this, and if you only prove your group solely exists to provoke the ARPD then I see no option but to remove you and/or the group.

[.Matthew.]

First of all, they're not gonna get an independent country. None from Law Enforcement is gonna let that happen. It's normal and it wouldn't be let done in real life either, imagine some militia in USA rebelling against government. Oh wait, it happened. Take Oregon Militia as example.

This video specifically:


Look at the way situation goes. Both sides speak normally, there's no "piss off or we shoot you", "CLOSE SWAT CLOSE FBI CLOSE SAPD" and that kind of shit. It's realistic talk with realistic expectations. If FLA would work the same way and allow us to approach diplomatically, we'd be doing that. By now, whenever I tried to do it, they put some unrealistic demands and later on initiate a shootout after their unrealistic demands get neglected.

And they claim we have the "must win" attitude. Look at Mikal himself, gets arrested and there has to be an admin on scene to make him play along. And he tells the admin himself "ban me". Pathetic.

[Julio.]

Players that play as cops in the game think they have the privilege and the power to do as they please ingame. I don't give a fuck if a badge means something to you I would slit your throat just as easy as I would to a homeless man.

This is like the Stanford Prison experiment where the police think they have more power than us. Simply tell the cops to get down from lala land and accept the fact that you can't stop a rebellion like that just because you carry a badge.

You either fight against the rebellion the right way or stop the bullshit. Going to them 24/7 guns blazing clearly isn't working for you. Did it take 3 minutes for the USA to find and kill Bin Laden? It takes time. Although I don't feel the need to offer my assistance to those who roleplay as cops I think it's time. Here's a hint. Take them down one at a time. Start from the bottom of the chain and work your way up. Get some dirt on each player and it take it through court then if the judge pleads guilty the defendant has a restraining order to be within that particular area. This is just an example of how you can attack an issue as a team.

A bunch of idiots really want to ruin a unique roleplay just because they disagree with a part of the map being independent; When was the last time you saw a successful group like this with unique objectives? unbelievable. How about the ARPD sponsors/supports a Legal party in dismembering the FLA? Find other ways. I'm tired of all your bullshit. This doesn't just go towards cops because a couple of criminals groups really get on my tits.

I'm done here. I hope the HQ respects and takes my opinion above into consideration.

*Drops mic*

@eymas

Only problem being that even if we kill the head of the snake in this case, the head comes back (in a different situation obviously) 

What are the objectives? There's never, ever going to be a formal proposal to "liberate" Flint Count from the rest of the map.

This is all fine if your objectives are attainable, but are they?